Good news, it can be fixed.Bertster7 wrote:
It is bad for the environment.Lotta_Drool wrote:
If smoking pot was bad for the environment the Global Warming crowd would disban instantly.
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that's exactly right and i posted a link earlier showing these people's extravagant lives - yet these same people are the ones telling YOU how to live. hypocracy.usmarine2 wrote:
lol....Lotta_Drool wrote:
If smoking pot was bad for the environment the Global Warming crowd would disban instantly.
add making movies and flying private jets to that list. Also include being friends with celebs who some of which use almost triple the water a normal person uses.
further, only lotta_drool and i here have been ones supporting reducing the number of humans on the planet as a way to help curb global warming. why is that suggestion ignored (and loudly so)? hippies love free love i guess.
Hey now. I suggested a while back leveling Africa and turning it into one giant wind farm.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
further, only lotta_drool and i here have been ones supporting reducing the number of humans on the planet as a way to help curb global warming. why is that suggestion ignored (and loudly so)? hippies love free love i guess.
Use the Sahara as a giant solar power plant toousmarine2 wrote:
Hey now. I suggested a while back leveling Africa and turning it into one giant wind farm.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
further, only lotta_drool and i here have been ones supporting reducing the number of humans on the planet as a way to help curb global warming. why is that suggestion ignored (and loudly so)? hippies love free love i guess.
You can do that today, it's not like anyone lives there
and the darkies can maintain it in return for ramen noodles and water.Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Use the Sahara as a giant solar power plant toousmarine2 wrote:
Hey now. I suggested a while back leveling Africa and turning it into one giant wind farm.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
further, only lotta_drool and i here have been ones supporting reducing the number of humans on the planet as a way to help curb global warming. why is that suggestion ignored (and loudly so)? hippies love free love i guess.
You can do that today, it's not like anyone lives there
holy crap!
list of countries by growth rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … rowth_rate
it's like a belt around the middle of the planet where huge birth rates are more prevalent. is this due to the weather? hot august nights?
on a side note: given enough time, it looks like the palestinians will outnumber the jews in Israel given their birth rate. that should make some on this board very happy.
list of countries by growth rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … rowth_rate
it's like a belt around the middle of the planet where huge birth rates are more prevalent. is this due to the weather? hot august nights?
on a side note: given enough time, it looks like the palestinians will outnumber the jews in Israel given their birth rate. that should make some on this board very happy.
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That has to be a joke - "Well they aren't doing anything, so why should we?"CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
we in the US are 300M. china tops 1B and so does India. What are china and India doing to contribute to reduction in greenhouse gasses? can we role model based on their responsible behavior?..teddy..jimmy wrote:
I'm sorry but are you serious?! That has got to be the most ignorant argument I've ever heard...believe it or not Naight we're not the only species that inhabit this planet and what you're saying is utterly selfish.
Ever heard of sustained development?
Pathetic reasoning.
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Also, yes, around the Equator, poverty rates are on average higher (weather & climate factor into this rather a lot)CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
holy crap!
list of countries by growth rate:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co … rowth_rate
it's like a belt around the middle of the planet where huge birth rates are more prevalent. is this due to the weather? hot august nights?
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More poverty=less education=more births
There are other factors, but that's a big one.
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Kyoto Protocol Signatories (Green):
At the time, it would have been political suicide for the US to sign (i think)CameronPoe wrote:
Kyoto Protocol Signatories (Green):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … p_2005.png
I heard there was encouraging signs of movement towards this recently though
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same can be said for the other side of the coin - that is, if we ARE doing something, then why should they?FatherTed wrote:
That has to be a joke - "Well they aren't doing anything, so why should we?"
Pathetic reasoning.
that was my point.
what vested interest does china have in doing anything other than what is best for china? tell me, i'm all ears.
The other side of the coin shouldn't matter - This isn't a "either we all do it, or none of us do" thing, It's in everyones best interests to preserve this planet.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
same can be said for the other side of the coin - that is, if we ARE doing something, then why should they?FatherTed wrote:
That has to be a joke - "Well they aren't doing anything, so why should we?"
Pathetic reasoning.
that was my point.
what vested interest does china have in doing anything other than what is best for china? tell me, i'm all ears.
If China don't do anything, fuck em - At least you have the dignity to say you're doing your bit.
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Additionally there are reports that many of the countries that have ratified the treaty are not even holding up their end of the bargin and their taxpayers have to foot the bill for the fines.
http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/20 … n-owe.html
japan itself (kyoto is in japan of course) is truly modeling responsible behavior under its own protocol. Ireland was given an exemption so that it can actually produce more greenhouse gasses. how did you guys get such a sweet deal?
http://petesplace-peter.blogspot.com/20 … n-owe.html
japan itself (kyoto is in japan of course) is truly modeling responsible behavior under its own protocol. Ireland was given an exemption so that it can actually produce more greenhouse gasses. how did you guys get such a sweet deal?
so then you'll be having this same conversation with china in 20 years when they surpass the US in terms of emissions? how much of an impact do you think they would have made on the planet by then? every week china builds a new coal fired power plant. i hear they are consuming huge quantities of cement to build hydro dams and other things.FatherTed wrote:
If China don't do anything, fuck em - At least you have the dignity to say you're doing your bit.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/1/29/23825/7257
point of the link is to show that china consumes >30% of the cement in the world. cement itself produces CO2 by chemical reaction - plus it has to be trucked in (more pollution). this is just one thing though. i maintain that the 'rate' of increase is concerning.
but, they get a free pass. this does nothing to win the hearts and minds of Sally homemaker or Bob the mechanic. You have to do much better sell job.
It's like i said, be happy knowing you've done your bit - I have no doubt China will come around as they become more Westernised.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
so then you'll be having this same conversation with china in 20 years when they surpass the US in terms of emissions? how much of an impact do you think they would have made on the planet by then? every week china builds a new coal fired power plant. i hear they are consuming huge quantities of cement to build hydro dams and other things.FatherTed wrote:
If China don't do anything, fuck em - At least you have the dignity to say you're doing your bit.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/1/29/23825/7257
point of the link is to show that china consumes >30% of the cement in the world. cement itself produces CO2 by chemical reaction - plus it has to be trucked in (more pollution). this is just one thing though. i maintain that the 'rate' of increase is concerning.
but, they get a free pass. this does nothing to win the hearts and minds of Sally homemaker or Bob the mechanic. You have to do much better sell job.
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture there.
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Fixed. The US companies outsourcing their manufacturing to China aren't responsible for China's environmental policies (or lack thereof).FatherTed wrote:
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture Chinese environmental policy there.
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i hope you are right about china. i have my doubts is all.FatherTed wrote:
It's like i said, be happy knowing you've done your bit - I have no doubt China will come around as they become more Westernised.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
so then you'll be having this same conversation with china in 20 years when they surpass the US in terms of emissions? how much of an impact do you think they would have made on the planet by then? every week china builds a new coal fired power plant. i hear they are consuming huge quantities of cement to build hydro dams and other things.FatherTed wrote:
If China don't do anything, fuck em - At least you have the dignity to say you're doing your bit.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/1/29/23825/7257
point of the link is to show that china consumes >30% of the cement in the world. cement itself produces CO2 by chemical reaction - plus it has to be trucked in (more pollution). this is just one thing though. i maintain that the 'rate' of increase is concerning.
but, they get a free pass. this does nothing to win the hearts and minds of Sally homemaker or Bob the mechanic. You have to do much better sell job.
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture there.
ironically you mention 'once they become more westernized'. this is kind of funny point since many people on this board despise US interference and meddling. i hope that the chinese populace won't view this particular issue in that light.
ps: i ran out of karma - i'll get you later.
Ahh, becoming more Westernised is not an US caused problem, as the populace becomes more educated and so on, they tend to strive towards Western ways of life, fashions, activities etc. The same was visible in Japan in the 1860'sCaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
i hope you are right about china. i have my doubts is all.FatherTed wrote:
It's like i said, be happy knowing you've done your bit - I have no doubt China will come around as they become more Westernised.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
so then you'll be having this same conversation with china in 20 years when they surpass the US in terms of emissions? how much of an impact do you think they would have made on the planet by then? every week china builds a new coal fired power plant. i hear they are consuming huge quantities of cement to build hydro dams and other things.
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/1/29/23825/7257
point of the link is to show that china consumes >30% of the cement in the world. cement itself produces CO2 by chemical reaction - plus it has to be trucked in (more pollution). this is just one thing though. i maintain that the 'rate' of increase is concerning.
but, they get a free pass. this does nothing to win the hearts and minds of Sally homemaker or Bob the mechanic. You have to do much better sell job.
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture there.
ironically you mention 'once they become more westernized'. this is kind of funny point since many people on this board despise US interference and meddling. i hope that the chinese populace won't view this particular issue in that light.
ps: i ran out of karma - i'll get you later.
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i agree.FEOS wrote:
Fixed. The US companies outsourcing their manufacturing to China aren't responsible for China's environmental policies (or lack thereof).FatherTed wrote:
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture Chinese environmental policy there.
also the chinese can feel free not to manufacture those goods at cut-rate prices - hence the drive to outsource in the first place.
now then, let's suppose the chinese start obeying these protocols, the price of doing business will go up. could this trigger some companies to rethink their outsourcing and bring those jobs back home?
Chinese are already more or less Westernised. Soviet-style Westernised. The current PRC government has shat alot on Chinese culture in the name of all their communist shit.
Indeed it could, though the effects of such a move would be pretty unpredictable.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
i agree.FEOS wrote:
Fixed. The US companies outsourcing their manufacturing to China aren't responsible for China's environmental policies (or lack thereof).FatherTed wrote:
Also, quite a bit of the emissions in China are a direct result of us outsourcing manufacture Chinese environmental policy there.
also the chinese can feel free not to manufacture those goods at cut-rate prices - hence the drive to outsource in the first place.
now then, let's suppose the chinese start obeying these protocols, the price of doing business will go up. could this trigger some companies to rethink their outsourcing and bring those jobs back home?
One example (US), the manufacturing industry increases, and so does GDP.
Another, (World in general) we simply find another country (most likely somewhere in Africa) to exploit.
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and in the middle east...there's that bit of conservative islamic values holding them back from these same ideals.FatherTed wrote:
Ahh, becoming more Westernised is not an US caused problem, as the populace becomes more educated and so on, they tend to strive towards Western ways of life, fashions, activities etc. The same was visible in Japan in the 1860's
Works in some parts, to some extent (SA being one example), but yep religion is a big limiting factor over there.CaptainSpaulding71 wrote:
and in the middle east...there's that bit of conservative islamic values holding them back from these same ideals.FatherTed wrote:
Ahh, becoming more Westernised is not an US caused problem, as the populace becomes more educated and so on, they tend to strive towards Western ways of life, fashions, activities etc. The same was visible in Japan in the 1860's
However, religion was (and still can be) a a limiting lifestyle factor in the "Western World", i.e. Northern Ireland.
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Shame on you uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunited states of america.CameronPoe wrote:
Kyoto Protocol Signatories (Green):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c … p_2005.png
Shame. On. You.
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Everyone is going to feel really damn stupid when a meteorite hits and puts us in another Ice Age.
btw, why do hippies smell like sour milk and hemp?
btw, why do hippies smell like sour milk and hemp?