rammunition
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Braddock wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Isn't the real problem the ethnic tensions between the various Iraqi groups? Defeating AQ would be great but I don't think it would necessarily rule out a civil war in the long run.
"The Americans in Iraq represent the occupation force, therefore any agreement with them should be refused.

Despite sectarian tendencies, the Iraqis remain united and all the instability can be blamed on the Americans. As soon as the Americans leave the Iraqis will be reunited again and there will be no difference between Sunnis and Shias. "

Abdul Kareem, traffic policeman, in Iraq.

sums it up nicely
Wishful thinking if you ask me. The ethnic melting pot that exists in Iraq needs a strong ruler with an iron fist and he was hung quite a while back. Iraq will split up along ethnic lines after a civil war.
very true, at the moment "the new middle east" is full of American puppet governments, excluding a few, Iraq is run by puppets. Saddam kept peace in Iraq despite being a dictator and killer, he managed peace between all. The quote i posted does sum up how Iraq came to this civil war
Kmar
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Braddock wrote:

Iraq will split up along ethnic lines after a civil war.
There's your wishful thinking.

rammunition wrote:

Braddock wrote:

rammunition wrote:

"The Americans in Iraq represent the occupation force, therefore any agreement with them should be refused.

Despite sectarian tendencies, the Iraqis remain united and all the instability can be blamed on the Americans. As soon as the Americans leave the Iraqis will be reunited again and there will be no difference between Sunnis and Shias. "

Abdul Kareem, traffic policeman, in Iraq.

sums it up nicely
Wishful thinking if you ask me. The ethnic melting pot that exists in Iraq needs a strong ruler with an iron fist and he was hung quite a while back. Iraq will split up along ethnic lines after a civil war.
very true, at the moment "the new middle east" is full of American puppet governments, excluding a few, Iraq is run by puppets. Saddam kept peace in Iraq despite being a dictator and killer, he managed peace between all. The quote i posted does sum up how Iraq came to this civil war
Is this what a puppet government does?
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It's good that the Iraqis are working with us, helping to fix the mess we made.
usmarine2
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PureFodder wrote:

It's good that the Iraqis are working with us, helping to fix the mess saddam/UN made.
fixed
PureFodder
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usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

It's good that the Iraqis are working with us, helping to fix the mess saddam/UN made.
fixed
You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
usmarine2
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PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

It's good that the Iraqis are working with us, helping to fix the mess saddam/UN made.
fixed
You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
PureFodder
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usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

fixed
You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
and if the US/UK etc. haddn't supported saddam through the 80s we wouldn't have even got that far. If Stormin Norman hadn't allowed Saddam to crush the uprising that would most likely have overthrown him after gulf war 1 we wouldn't be in the situation.

Nobody forced the neocons to use a flawed strategy in the invade of Iraq. That's why AQ are in Iraq now.

Last edited by PureFodder (2008-07-06 16:06:18)

usmarine2
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PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
and if the US/UK etc. haddn't supported saddam through the 80s we wouldn't have even got that far. If Stormin Norman hadn't allowed Saddam to crush the uprising that would most likely have overthrown him after gulf war 1 we wouldn't be in the situation.

Nobody forced the neocons to use a flawed strategy in the invade of Iraq. That's why AQ are in Iraq now.
The UN would not allow the coalition to go to baghdad. - UN

neocons eh?  Dems voted also my dear.
r'Eeee
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usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:


fixed
You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
What do you mean yes?

The only thing left from this guy is his skeleton, and you're telling me, AQ is because of Saddam?
usmarine2
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r'Eeee wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


You think AQ are in Iraq because of Saddam/UN?
yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
What do you mean yes?

The only thing left from this guy is his skeleton, and you're telling me, AQ is because of Saddam?
if you go back to why all this came about, yes.  you think this war started in 2003?
PureFodder
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usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

yup.

If Saddam had not invaded Kuwait and did not fuck around with the UN, then none of this would have happened.

If the UN did their job instead of getting rich off oil for food, then none of this would have happened.
and if the US/UK etc. haddn't supported saddam through the 80s we wouldn't have even got that far. If Stormin Norman hadn't allowed Saddam to crush the uprising that would most likely have overthrown him after gulf war 1 we wouldn't be in the situation.

Nobody forced the neocons to use a flawed strategy in the invade of Iraq. That's why AQ are in Iraq now.
The UN would not allow the coalition to go to baghdad. - UN

neocons eh?  Dems voted also my dear.
The uprising wasn't crushed in Baghdad. The Iraqis were going to do all that hard work themselves, all they wanted was access to confiscated arms and the grounding of Saddams aircraft and attack helicopters. They got neither, Saddam stayed in power and killed a good hundred thousand of them.

The dems didn't come up with the flawed strategy. Even if is was a full bipartisan plan, it was still a fuck-up that resulted in AQ gaining a huge influence in the country. It's all about taking responsability for your actions.
usmarine2
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Yes it is about taking responsibility.  We are still there aren't we?  We didnt just fuck it and chuck it.....which is what I would have done tbh.
m3thod
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Of course you are, now lets go get that oil!
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FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

usmarine2 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:


and if the US/UK etc. haddn't supported saddam through the 80s we wouldn't have even got that far. If Stormin Norman hadn't allowed Saddam to crush the uprising that would most likely have overthrown him after gulf war 1 we wouldn't be in the situation.

Nobody forced the neocons to use a flawed strategy in the invade of Iraq. That's why AQ are in Iraq now.
The UN would not allow the coalition to go to baghdad. - UN

neocons eh?  Dems voted also my dear.
The uprising wasn't crushed in Baghdad. The Iraqis were going to do all that hard work themselves, all they wanted was access to confiscated arms and the grounding of Saddams aircraft and attack helicopters. They got neither, Saddam stayed in power and killed a good hundred thousand of them.

The dems didn't come up with the flawed strategy. Even if is was a full bipartisan plan, it was still a fuck-up that resulted in AQ gaining a huge influence in the country. It's all about taking responsability for your actions.
It wasn't up to Swartzkopf whether or not to engage Saddam to stop the crushing of the Shi'ite uprising in the south. That was a Bush I administration decision.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Reciprocity
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great news

but isn't al-qaeda the minority insurgency in Iraq?
FEOS
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Reciprocity wrote:

great news

but isn't al-qaeda the minority insurgency in Iraq?
Not since Muqtada decided he was tired of getting his ass kicked.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
SealXo
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.Sup wrote:

Iraqis seem kinda incapable to push Al-Qaeda back imo.
They made terrorists run away without even shooting last week...
m3thod
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It would be useful to know one day, maybe in 15 years, how many shattered lives and dead Iraquis had to pay for it.

-Achille Barthe, Alicante, Spain
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Turquoise
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If the OP is true, then I hope this means we can soon get the fuck out of there.
oChaos.Haze
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Paint that turd!

On a side note:  Something smells...

In actuality I'm all for good news out of Iraq and the War on Terror.  Lord knows we need it.  I guess I just want Bin Laden's head, and their recruitment dissolved.  I'd love to see a strategy that makes them appear as the bad guys to the people within it's region.  Although I know that is just near impossible...

Last edited by oChaos.Haze (2008-07-06 22:18:07)

Spark
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I was under the impression Iraq was already under sharia law (of a kind)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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no more than the west is under christian law.
Turquoise
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God Save the Queen wrote:

no more than the west is under christian law.
The jizya is imposed on non-Muslims in certain areas of Iraq, however.

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