JahManRed
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US citizens once had the protection of the Posse Comitatus Act, which prevented the use of the US military on it’s own citizens.  Now that protection has been removed by two changes.  First the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which is vigorously being fought from many directions.  The act basically allows that almost anyone can be deemed an enemy combatant, subject to be detained indefinitely.  Second is the transfer of control of certain parts of the military to super-national organizations.  NORTHCOM like NORAD is a super-national military organization and is in control of Mexico, Canada, and CONUS

recently a contract was awarded to a Halliburton company, KBR.  The contract, awarded in 2006, allows for the creation of new camps that can hold up to 400,000 people.  This is in addition to the many camps that already exist.  The stated reason for the new camps is “an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs”.

Press Release is here: http://www.kbr.com/news/2006/govnews_060124.aspx
Since our government has been lacking in the control of illegal immigration or any other type of immigration for that matter, we are left with the ominous line “support the rapid development of new programs”.  It is perhaps the most disturbing part of the press release.  What are these new programs?  How rapid is the development?
http://www.vorchester.com/vnews/?p=13
These camps are no new thing:
Rex 84, short for Readiness Exercise 1984, was a plan by the United States federal government to test their ability to detain large numbers of American citizens in case of massive civil unrest or national emergency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rex_84


The people of the USA have the constitutional right to beer arms against their own government should they act against the best interests of the people. America is split down the middle politically more than ever, with millions of people armed to the teeth and prepared to fight for their Constitution while the other half accept the government's reasoning of controlling immigration and/or terrorism.
The constitution is under attack with Bush Co removing the Writ of Habeas Corpus as well as practicing torture and rendition in the peoples names. Are these camps to house the hundreds of thousands of immigrants, which lets face it the US is not trying very hard to track down or stop entering the country?

Or are these camps for American citizens when their government takes a step too far which causes a mass uprising?

If so, any ideas what could spark such an uprising?
CameronPoe
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Tunnelling into some of your links I found this rather worrying (not worrying for me I would add) article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00772.html
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
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CameronPoe wrote:

Tunnelling into some of your links I found this rather worrying (not worrying for me I would add) article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00772.html
So what? We detain a gang member who was planning and training to kill people and destroy property.
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CameronPoe
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Tunnelling into some of your links I found this rather worrying (not worrying for me I would add) article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00772.html
So what? We detain a gang member who was planning and training to kill people and destroy property.
Why no due process? Don't believe in it? If you pissed off some political buddy of Bush and he fingered you for something you didn't commit and had you designated as an 'enemy combatant' would you be happy? Laws are laws. Stick to them. The 'enemy combatant' idea is just a way of applying whatever made-up law you want.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-08 05:43:17)

deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Tunnelling into some of your links I found this rather worrying (not worrying for me I would add) article....
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 00772.html
So what? We detain a gang member who was planning and training to kill people and destroy property.
Why no due process? Don't believe in it? If you pissed off some political buddy of Bush and he fingered you for something you didn't commit and had you designated as an 'enemy combatant' would you be happy? Laws are laws. Stick to them. The 'enemy combatant' idea is just a way of applying whatever made-up law you want.
I agre with your point Cam. But do you dismiss my point which would require you to try and imagine that someone dear to you was murdered by this man and you knew that he could have been stopped but wasn't because of his 'rights'.
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CameronPoe
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

But do you dismiss my point which would require you to try and imagine that someone dear to you was murdered by this man and you knew that he could have been stopped but wasn't because of his 'rights'.
There are existing measures in US law I'm sure that deal with such scenarios. You don't need to sidestep US law and US citizens' rights in order to police America.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

But do you dismiss my point which would require you to try and imagine that someone dear to you was murdered by this man and you knew that he could have been stopped but wasn't because of his 'rights'.
There are existing measures in US law I'm sure that deal with such scenarios. You don't need to sidestep US law and US citizens' rights in order to police America.
Maybe, maybe not. Those who are trained in Jihad and martyrdom have proved they stop at virtually nothing to accomplish their goals. And unfortunately for law abiding citizens that means death and tragedy for us. If they are charged with an existing law for some sort of premeditated conspiracy and released in a few years we have just put a band aid on a bullet hole. I honestly don't give a shit if this gang bangin piece of trouble making shit who contributes nothing to society rots in a cell for the rest of his life. It is actually easier to simply get a job, be a productive member of society and NOT train to kill people. If you want to be a murderer there are consequences and I hope those who seek tyranny meet them.
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ZombieVampire!
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


So what? We detain a gang member who was planning and training to kill people and destroy property.
Why no due process? Don't believe in it? If you pissed off some political buddy of Bush and he fingered you for something you didn't commit and had you designated as an 'enemy combatant' would you be happy? Laws are laws. Stick to them. The 'enemy combatant' idea is just a way of applying whatever made-up law you want.
I agre with your point Cam. But do you dismiss my point which would require you to try and imagine that someone dear to you was murdered by this man and you knew that he could have been stopped but wasn't because of his 'rights'.
Yes, I do.  If you ignore rights then there's nothing wrong with him killing someone.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ZombieVampire! wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Why no due process? Don't believe in it? If you pissed off some political buddy of Bush and he fingered you for something you didn't commit and had you designated as an 'enemy combatant' would you be happy? Laws are laws. Stick to them. The 'enemy combatant' idea is just a way of applying whatever made-up law you want.
I agre with your point Cam. But do you dismiss my point which would require you to try and imagine that someone dear to you was murdered by this man and you knew that he could have been stopped but wasn't because of his 'rights'.
Yes, I do.  If you ignore rights then there's nothing wrong with him killing someone.
?
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ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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The only problem with murder is that it violates a person's right not to be killed
ATG
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ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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Oh please, outlawing mercenaries?  What kind of crap is that?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut
Ok. Back on topic.
Malloy must go
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ZombieVampire! wrote:

The only problem with murder is that it violates a person's right not to be killed
I can think of a few more problems than that with murder Bubbalo.
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ATG
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

Ok. Back on topic.
That is on topic.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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Source pls.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

Ok. Back on topic.
That is on topic.
Elaborate your view please. I know you are better than a one liner ATG.
Malloy must go
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

ATG wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


Ok. Back on topic.
That is on topic.
Elaborate your view please. I know you are better than a one liner ATG.
You don't think Bush is a criminal?
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249

deeznutz1245 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

The only problem with murder is that it violates a person's right not to be killed
I can think of a few more problems than that with murder Bubbalo.
Such as?
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

sergeriver wrote:

You don't think Bush is a criminal?
Wether I do or not I beleive it has been discussed more than once here, I just don't think saying "Bush is a criminal" contributes much.
Malloy must go
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ZombieVampire! wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

The only problem with murder is that it violates a person's right not to be killed
I can think of a few more problems than that with murder Bubbalo.
Such as?
Fucking idiot.
Malloy must go
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6249
That's not a reason.  Try again.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ZombieVampire! wrote:

That's not a reason.  Try again.
Ok. How about it is immoral. It is unethical. It effects more than the person being killed, it effects their spouse, children, parents, siblings, friends. It effects all of their emotions and their 'right' to grow up with a father or husband. It is against the law not because murder infringes on someones right to not be murdered, but because it is horrific and infringes on someones right to exist.
Malloy must go
ATG
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deeznutz1245 wrote:

ATG wrote:

deeznutz1245 wrote:


Ok. Back on topic.
That is on topic.
Elaborate your view please. I know you are better than a one liner ATG.
It is clearly against international law and war ethics to hire mercenaries. Blackwater may be called a private contractor but what they are is a bunch of killers for hire.

A administration who so casually breaks the law will do anything.

RIP republican party, you died when bush got elected.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6914|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

RIP republican party, you died when bush got elected.
I disagree. There is still a little pulse left, bring out the shock paddles though.
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