G-NOT_(:0)
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Poseidon wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Poseidon wrote:


He has 2 Velociraptors in RAID0 and has mentioned so in previous videos, but even if you didn't watch those, he said "I'm going to test it against the Velociraptors".

Apparentely he ordered ANOTHER one of the OCZ drives as well and will test it's timings in Raid0 this week.

also


That makes little to absolutely no sense at all.
Okay...he only used,  ONE Velociraptor when doing the testing, not two in raid-0. Also when I said, "the timings weren't FASTER, just barely faster". I meant a sec or less difference, not like you claimed, "It's actually FASTER than 2 WD 300 GB Velociraptors (10K RPM) in RAID0."  and I meant to put quotations when you said "FASTER". As for proof

Right here http://i34.tinypic.com/2aqlnp.jpg

In conclusion, two Velociraptors are in his rig, but only 1 Velociraptor was being tested against the SSD.
Ah, okay.

But about the "being faster" thing, it's still a pretty good deal...Maxishine's review on his site gives a full detailed analysis on why it's a good buy:

http://www.maxishine.com.au/documents/o … drive.html

Better Windows load times, less CPU usage in games...
Yes, its a great buy imo. I was plannin on getting a Velociraptor, but since the SSD is the "future", I'll probably get one.

Just for the OS though, not for storage, I'll leave that up to my 2 x 250gb in raid 0.

A 64gb for 279.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6820227344

Now thats a deal, I just gotta wait til newegg gets their supply.
Bertster7
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

_j5689_ wrote:

Noobeater wrote:

sa-ta

not aussie sarrta
Brits... ...do that.
ERM? No we don't.

It's SA TA. SA. TA.

At least, that's how I say it.
That's how everyone says it. That's how it's said. SA-TA.
Bertster7
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G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Just for the OS though, not for storage, I'll leave that up to my 2 x 250gb in raid 0.


RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
G-NOT_(:0)
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Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Just for the OS though, not for storage, I'll leave that up to my 2 x 250gb in raid 0.


RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
Bertster7
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+1,101|6850|SE London

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Just for the OS though, not for storage, I'll leave that up to my 2 x 250gb in raid 0.


RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
It's a bad idea. Just don't use the drives in RAID at all.
G-NOT_(:0)
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Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:



RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
It's a bad idea. Just don't use the drives in RAID at all.
Well, considering the drives are being used half as much, there would be a lil or no problem at all. Depends if you had a bad experience with it, or if someone like myself had nothin but positive results. Really up to the persons choice.
Bertster7
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+1,101|6850|SE London

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
It's a bad idea. Just don't use the drives in RAID at all.
Well, considering the drives are being used half as much, there would be a lil or no problem at all. Depends if you had a bad experience with it, or if someone like myself had nothin but positive results. Really up to the persons choice.
I've seen so many people (hundreds) lose all their data due to using RAID0 setups. For typical usage RAID0 is a bad idea, for dedicated storage it is nothing short of idiotic.

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max
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RAID 0 for storage is plain stupid. The chances of loosing the data is just way too high. If you want speed, consider getting a RAID 5 array. TBH I'd run JBOD if you don't have enough drives for RAID 5 or RAID 1. JBOD is still somewhat fast
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jaymz9350
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G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Just for the OS though, not for storage, I'll leave that up to my 2 x 250gb in raid 0.


RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
considering hard drives are about the most likely piece of hardware to fail it's not really paranoia it's common sense . Of the 8 pieces of hardware i've ever had fail, 7 were hard drives, and not cheap ones, good brand names.
G-NOT_(:0)
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Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's a bad idea. Just don't use the drives in RAID at all.
Well, considering the drives are being used half as much, there would be a lil or no problem at all. Depends if you had a bad experience with it, or if someone like myself had nothin but positive results. Really up to the persons choice.
I've seen so many people (hundreds) lose all their data due to using RAID0 setups. For typical usage RAID0 is a bad idea, for dedicated storage it is nothing short of idiotic.
In your opinion that may be so, but saying hundreds of people losing their data cuz of raid 0 is far-fetched. Unless if you know them in person, not based on different sites and forums. Plus a comment saying it being "idiotic" wouldn't be the case, it's just how people, like myself would run things. There's plenty of faulty HDD's out there that  has an effect to it. Not to mention most people (not saying how much) run it in raid 0 for their whole set-up wouldn't make it any different from having it only for storage. You're not really using it as much, as you normally would if it was your dedicated HD. Only time it be used is when you transfer or dl different files. Then it decreases the life expectancy or maybe it wouldn't, it's all based on your judgment and if you tested it yourself to see if it was "idiotic" or stupid in that manner.
G-NOT_(:0)
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jaymz9350 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:




RAID0 for storage? I suppose you like living on the edge.....
lol, it was in raid 1, but I'm for speed. Not so much for being paranoid like most people that lose all their info due to faulty hardware.
considering hard drives are about the most likely piece of hardware to fail it's not really paranoia it's common sense . Of the 8 pieces of hardware i've ever had fail, 7 were hard drives, and not cheap ones, good brand names.
Well of course it's common sense, or else consumers would buy crappy brands and not read the reviews on which to buy it or not, based on the buyers review.

I'm saying if they have it in RAID1, then of course they're concerned or paranoid, whatever the case may be, that one of HD's is going to fail them or not. Also everyone knows that the HD is the most likely to die sooner than most components, it's just common sense.
Bertster7
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G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:


Well, considering the drives are being used half as much, there would be a lil or no problem at all. Depends if you had a bad experience with it, or if someone like myself had nothin but positive results. Really up to the persons choice.
I've seen so many people (hundreds) lose all their data due to using RAID0 setups. For typical usage RAID0 is a bad idea, for dedicated storage it is nothing short of idiotic.
In your opinion that may be so, but saying hundreds of people losing their data cuz of raid 0 is far-fetched. Unless if you know them in person, not based on different sites and forums.
I'm saying it based on having repaired their machines and having to inform them they've lost all their data.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Plus a comment saying it being "idiotic" wouldn't be the case, it's just how people, like myself would run things. There's plenty of faulty HDD's out there that has an effect to it. Not to mention most people (not saying how much) run it in raid 0 for their whole set-up wouldn't make it any different from having it only for storage.
Very few people run RAID0 for their whole system setup. It is idiotic. It's also very stupid to run it as your system disk. RAID0 is only useful for fairly small volume drives that need to transfer data very quickly and where access times are not critical, which for a system disk they obviously are. Many video editors use RAID0 setups well for their intended purpose performing large operations on huge files on their arrays, but there are few examples in general of where RAID0 setups will be of general benefit.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

You're not really using it as much, as you normally would if it was your dedicated HD. Only time it be used is when you transfer or dl different files. Then it decreases the life expectancy or maybe it wouldn't, it's all based on your judgment and if you tested it yourself to see if it was "idiotic" or stupid in that manner.
Based on your own judgment? My judgment is that anyone running RAID0 for a dedicated storage drive is an idiot and that's my professional opinion.
G-NOT_(:0)
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Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

I've seen so many people (hundreds) lose all their data due to using RAID0 setups. For typical usage RAID0 is a bad idea, for dedicated storage it is nothing short of idiotic.
In your opinion that may be so, but saying hundreds of people losing their data cuz of raid 0 is far-fetched. Unless if you know them in person, not based on different sites and forums.
I'm saying it based on having repaired their machines and having to inform them they've lost all their data.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Plus a comment saying it being "idiotic" wouldn't be the case, it's just how people, like myself would run things. There's plenty of faulty HDD's out there that has an effect to it. Not to mention most people (not saying how much) run it in raid 0 for their whole set-up wouldn't make it any different from having it only for storage.
Very few people run RAID0 for their whole system setup. It is idiotic. It's also very stupid to run it as your system disk. RAID0 is only useful for fairly small volume drives that need to transfer data very quickly and where access times are not critical, which for a system disk they obviously are. Many video editors use RAID0 setups well for their intended purpose performing large operations on huge files on their arrays, but there are few examples in general of where RAID0 setups will be of general benefit.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

You're not really using it as much, as you normally would if it was your dedicated HD. Only time it be used is when you transfer or dl different files. Then it decreases the life expectancy or maybe it wouldn't, it's all based on your judgment and if you tested it yourself to see if it was "idiotic" or stupid in that manner.
Based on your own judgment? My judgment is that anyone running RAID0 for a dedicated storage drive is an idiot and that's my professional opinion.
It's funny how you say most people if not ALL are "stupid" and "idiotic", when running raid. Plenty of people run RAID, not just large businesses or editors. I have three of buds, that run RAID0 for their setup and it's been over a year. So idk know where you get off when saying that. HDD's are used in many different ways, depending how they use it. Like some, buy 10,000RPM HD's for the sole purpose to run OS or store info only. If they put it in RAID0, only for storage, it is really stupid. But in my case, its only a mere 7200RPM HD with a capacity of 250gb's and I have over 200 gigs of movies/20 gigs of music and the rest are photos. So having one HD for this isn't going to cut it. But you're probably wondering, why can't he just buy a 500GB and be done. Well, I rather have 2 x 250 in RAID0 and access my info FASTER and only spend 120$,  then spending over 300-400$ in HD's just to store my info. Who cares if doesn't last me 5 years, I'm not concerned about that, and I don't' expect it too last that long either. Besides, I consider 1 year a lengthy time for a RAID setup. Then I'll purchase something much better, but for now, I'm happy with my setup, so if you still disagree, then do. Other than that, keep pleasing yourself by call others, "stupid" & "idiotic". If that's your character, then so be it, I'm going to criticize you for that. Besides,  I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about computers and what not to get and so on and so forth. Also, you don't have to be a professional to know whats a good setup or not, it's just your opinion, or as you say it "professional" opinion. Not everyone views everything the same.
Bertster7
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G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:


In your opinion that may be so, but saying hundreds of people losing their data cuz of raid 0 is far-fetched. Unless if you know them in person, not based on different sites and forums.
I'm saying it based on having repaired their machines and having to inform them they've lost all their data.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Plus a comment saying it being "idiotic" wouldn't be the case, it's just how people, like myself would run things. There's plenty of faulty HDD's out there that has an effect to it. Not to mention most people (not saying how much) run it in raid 0 for their whole set-up wouldn't make it any different from having it only for storage.
Very few people run RAID0 for their whole system setup. It is idiotic. It's also very stupid to run it as your system disk. RAID0 is only useful for fairly small volume drives that need to transfer data very quickly and where access times are not critical, which for a system disk they obviously are. Many video editors use RAID0 setups well for their intended purpose performing large operations on huge files on their arrays, but there are few examples in general of where RAID0 setups will be of general benefit.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

You're not really using it as much, as you normally would if it was your dedicated HD. Only time it be used is when you transfer or dl different files. Then it decreases the life expectancy or maybe it wouldn't, it's all based on your judgment and if you tested it yourself to see if it was "idiotic" or stupid in that manner.
Based on your own judgment? My judgment is that anyone running RAID0 for a dedicated storage drive is an idiot and that's my professional opinion.
It's funny how you say most people if not ALL are "stupid" and "idiotic", when running raid. Plenty of people run RAID, not just large businesses or editors. I have three of buds, that run RAID0 for their setup and it's been over a year. So idk know where you get off when saying that. HDD's are used in many different ways, depending how they use it. Like some, buy 10,000RPM HD's for the sole purpose to run OS or store info only. If they put it in RAID0, only for storage, it is really stupid.
Indeed it is.

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

But in my case, its only a mere 7200RPM HD with a capacity of 250gb's and I have over 200 gigs of movies/20 gigs of music and the rest are photos. So having one HD for this isn't going to cut it. But you're probably wondering, why can't he just buy a 500GB and be done. Well, I rather have 2 x 250 in RAID0 and access my info FASTER and only spend 120$,  then spending over 300-400$ in HD's just to store my info.
You don't access your data faster on a RAID0 setup, you access it slower. The only improvement (and it is a substantial improvement) is in block transfer rates. Which for data storage are typically not very relevant (unless you are routinely exporting the data to high speed external storage or over a high speed network).

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Who cares if doesn't last me 5 years, I'm not concerned about that, and I don't' expect it too last that long either.
I suppose you're also not concerned about the significantly increased chances of catastrophic failure and losing all your data then?

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Besides, I consider 1 year a lengthy time for a RAID setup.
Bizarre...

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Then I'll purchase something much better, but for now, I'm happy with my setup, so if you still disagree, then do. Other than that, keep pleasing yourself by call others, "stupid" & "idiotic". If that's your character, then so be it, I'm going to criticize you for that. Besides,  I consider myself pretty knowledgeable about computers and what not to get and so on and so forth. Also, you don't have to be a professional to know whats a good setup or not, it's just your opinion, or as you say it "professional" opinion. Not everyone views everything the same.
Perhaps you're not quite as knowledgeable as you thought.
G-NOT_(:0)
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Well, I can see I'm done here, if that's all you're gonna say, with minor personal attacks, then okay. Our views are extremely different, and I see this, "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude, shows your maturity and arrogance. RAID0 ftw
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6850|SE London

G-NOT_(:0) wrote:

Well, I can see I'm done here, if that's all you're gonna say, with minor personal attacks, then okay. Our views are extremely different, and I see this, "I'm right, you're wrong" attitude, shows your maturity and arrogance. RAID0 ftw
What personal attacks? I've said that for you to be running a RAID0 setup is a bad idea (and so far everyone else on the site has agreed with me), that is a criticism of your system setup and not a personal attack. I see dozens of failed RAID arrays a week and they are a great way to lose your data.

RAID5 is a good way to go, but RAID0 and RAID1 (particularly controlled through software, which almost everyones are (if it's on the mobo and not dedicated, chances are it is software controlled and slow)) are rubbish for most purposes.

I'd say that your obstinance in this, in the face of overwhelming general opinion by those more qualified than yourself, is not only arrogant and immature, but rather silly considering you are simply putting you own data at risk.

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