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2008-07-26 15:57:25
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

I think the actual trip to the wall was a stunt.. make no mistake. But the whole thievery of his prayers? Israelis should know better than to steal prayers from the western wall.
No one doubts that Obama meant his visit to the Wall as a public event. WND reported that Obama’s campaign even distributed campaign posters for supporters to hang on police barricades, which is pretty tacky, if true.   (The posters were certainly there.)  However, the prayer note should have been respected as a private communication between Obama and God, not exploited for circulation boosting.
This is, I think, the cult of celebrity at its ugliest.  It would be akin to bugging a confessional to hear a Catholic candidate’s private conversation between his priest and the Lord.  It assumes no boundaries, no privacy, regardless of the lack of relevance to the issues at hand.  We’re not electing a Pope; we’re electing a President, and his private entreaties to God should remain private.

Shame on the man who stole this note, and the several others who stole the notes of others in their search for Obama’s.  Shame on Maariv and the Times, and anyone else who published Obama’s prayer.  Maybe all of them should be praying to get a life.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-07-26 17:04:07
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6921|so randum
oh holy fuck HE WROTE A MESSAGE AND NOW LOWING IS UP IN ARMS

jesus get a fucking grip
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2008-07-26 18:58:05
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7095|Canberra, AUS
You would have thought one of his campaign managers had suidide bombed a restaurant in DC, the uproar lowing is making.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2008-07-26 19:02:42
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

I can only imagine if Bush did this, the lefties in here would go ape shit over it....

or do you want another President led by what many of you believe is an "imaginary friend"
Good points...  but I think we can agree that an openly atheist candidate would never win.
Oh, I know for sure that would never happen but I laugh at the hypocrisy in these forums sometimes! Bush has been demonized for invoking God in some of the things he has done but all of the sudden Obama doing the same thing is somehow quite all right.
I dont see how you can say that.

Bush has said that he thinks he is in his position because god wanted him in his position.  Obama prayed for gods help while running for president.  Huge ass difference there buddy.

--I'm not religious either way so I dont give a fuck.  But the hypocrisy you see... doesnt exist.  At least not in the way you imagine it.

Last edited by Spearhead (2008-07-26 19:03:29)

2008-07-27 05:58:20
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA
I am in an uproarr?


Is "he is in an uproar" the next defense argument for you guys next to "he is a racist" and "he is generalizing".Oh well, at least it is a new one.
2008-07-27 06:00:10
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

FatherTed wrote:

oh holy fuck HE WROTE A MESSAGE AND NOW LOWING IS UP IN ARMS

jesus get a fucking grip
Reading this leads me to believe you are the one in need of a "grip"

Tell your mommy to buy you one the next time she runs to the store.
2008-07-27 06:05:31
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7042|London, England
Question:

Even if it is a publicity stunt

So?

He's a fucking politician, they always do this shit!
2008-07-27 08:13:18
topal63
. . .
+533|7139
He authors a basic standard prayer, big deal. I don't even relate to Obama, and yet this is a major publicity stunt? Shit I am an atheist, I might visit the wall one day, I'd leave something similar out of respect for local traditions and customs (as if my personal beliefs trump all things, in heaven and earth, that are dreamt of in my philosophy).

I am not the maker of myself. As a conception I can use "God" as a label to thank my maker - even though I have no idea how infinity is resolved in the eternal moment and reality has a time-frame in which the processes of nature have laws and have resulted in bio-mechanical animation/organisms that possess the mystery of consciousness. So yeah even this atheist might leave something similar.

I thought the stunt was the whole political trip, to give himself the appearance that he's a world player and not an inexperienced senator from Illinois.

Last edited by topal63 (2008-07-27 08:14:31)

2008-07-27 08:27:43
lowing
Banned
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

Question:

Even if it is a publicity stunt

So?

He's a fucking politician, they always do this shit!
The "SO" is this.............Do not do shit like this then PRETEND it is not for publicity and pretend to be outraged surprised and disgusted over the fact this stunt went exactly the way it was supposed to.
2008-07-27 10:36:36
CameronPoe
Member
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I never really read this story properly the first time. His whole trip is a publicity stunt so I automatically assumed this little nugget of information was just a part of that stunt. Having read the story now though I think the OP is bollocks. The practice of sticking notes in the wall didn't get invented yesterday - there are even companies that offer Israelis an expresso service whereby you phone them in a prayer and they go and stick it in the wall for you. It's standard tourist fare if you visit the wall also: I donned a yarmulke and went up to the wall and got blessed by a rabbi. I might not have stuck a note in the wall but most do. It's actually quite rude and a bit of an intrusion for somebody's notes to be extracted from the wall. The least he can expect - as with all Israelis and tourists - is to have his fucking note left in the bloody thing.

I thought he'd left this note in his hotel room or something. This thread is reeks of ignorance of what visiting the wailing wall usually entails.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-07-27 10:41:29)

2008-07-27 11:04:07
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

I never really read this story properly the first time. His whole trip is a publicity stunt so I automatically assumed this little nugget of information was just a part of that stunt. Having read the story now though I think the OP is bollocks. The practice of sticking notes in the wall didn't get invented yesterday - there are even companies that offer Israelis an expresso service whereby you phone them in a prayer and they go and stick it in the wall for you. It's standard tourist fare if you visit the wall also: I donned a yarmulke and went up to the wall and got blessed by a rabbi. I might not have stuck a note in the wall but most do. It's actually quite rude and a bit of an intrusion for somebody's notes to be extracted from the wall. The least he can expect - as with all Israelis and tourists - is to have his fucking note left in the bloody thing.

I thought he'd left this note in his hotel room or something. This thread is reeks of ignorance of what visiting the wailing wall usually entails.
Got it, so it shoulda been completely ASSUMED that a figure like Obama could leave a message ANYWHERE including this wall and no one would bother it. Yeah, ok.

The problem is, I do not care what thousands of others do, when a public figure does the same thing it draws attention. The thought they they assumed his note woud not be found or read, and the fake outrage that was displayed when it was is the "bollocks" of this thread.


Thousands of people have babies every day as well Cam, but only Brad and Angolonia can draw 12 million dollars for picture of theirs.
2008-07-27 11:06:50
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

Got it, so it shoulda been completely ASSUMED that a figure like Obama could leave a message ANYWHERE including this wall and no one would bother it. Yeah, ok.

The problem is, I do not care what thousands of others do, when a public figure does the same thing it draws attention. The thought they they assumed his note woud not be found or read, and the fake outrage that was displayed when it was is the "bollocks" of this thread.


Thousands of people have babies every day as well Cam, but only Brad and Angolonia can draw 12 million dollars for picture of theirs.
Are you suggesting that he shouldn't have left a note in the wall? Are you suggesting he should have written something different on his note? I don't get what your problem is.
2008-07-27 11:11:55
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Got it, so it shoulda been completely ASSUMED that a figure like Obama could leave a message ANYWHERE including this wall and no one would bother it. Yeah, ok.

The problem is, I do not care what thousands of others do, when a public figure does the same thing it draws attention. The thought they they assumed his note woud not be found or read, and the fake outrage that was displayed when it was is the "bollocks" of this thread.


Thousands of people have babies every day as well Cam, but only Brad and Angolonia can draw 12 million dollars for picture of theirs.
Are you suggesting that he shouldn't have left a note in the wall? Are you suggesting he should have written something different on his note? I don't get what your problem is.
Nope, I am suggesting that it is utterly rediculous to pretend to be surprised and disgusted when this note was found and made public, when it was damn well known and expected that it would be, because Obama left it.
2008-07-27 11:14:20
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

Nope, I am suggesting that it is utterly rediculous to pretend to be surprised and disgusted when this note was found and made public, when it was damn well known and expected that it would be, because Obama left it.
I don't really see the big deal either but other leaders such as Bush and Clinton have done the whole wall thing without having their notes 'leaked'. Obama should at least have expected similar treatment. Having said that he will play this one up for all it's worth.

https://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf2m_uYxIZUMAjL1WBQx./SIG=12djrhoak/EXP=1217268543/**http%3A//piratenews.org/bush-beenie-wailing-wall-israel.jpg

https://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf2wRuoxI6AsBzxBWBQx./SIG=127i5l437/EXP=1217268625/**http%3A//www.jewlicious.com/wp-content/hillary002.jpg
2008-07-27 11:20:35
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope, I am suggesting that it is utterly rediculous to pretend to be surprised and disgusted when this note was found and made public, when it was damn well known and expected that it would be, because Obama left it.
I don't really see the big deal either but other leaders such as Bush and Clinton have done the whole wall thing without having their notes 'leaked'. Obama should at least have expected similar treatment. Having said that he will play this one up for all it's worth.

http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf2m_uY … israel.jpg

http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTf2wRuo … ary002.jpg
Bush is not the savior of the world, Obama clearly is. Lets just say that it was damn lucky Obama left a note that read like it was poetry huh?
2008-07-27 11:27:27
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

Bush is not the savior of the world, Obama clearly is. Lets just say that it was damn lucky Obama left a note that read like it was poetry huh?
Well he's an eloquent speaker, it stands to reason he would write eloquently. What did you expect him to write? "Me like Isreal. It good."
2008-07-27 11:30:35
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Bush is not the savior of the world, Obama clearly is. Lets just say that it was damn lucky Obama left a note that read like it was poetry huh?
Well he's an eloquent speaker, it stands to reason he would write eloquently. What did you expect him to write? "Me like Isreal. It good."
Nope I would expect him to write a perfect prayer, as if it were gunna be read to the public...........oh wait
2008-07-27 11:35:07
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

Nope I would expect him to write a perfect prayer, as if it were gunna be read to the public...........oh wait
What would Bush have written?
2008-07-27 11:47:35
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope I would expect him to write a perfect prayer, as if it were gunna be read to the public...........oh wait
What would Bush have written?
I have no idea. Arew you really gunna try and tell me that if it were Bush's note that was found and it read like Obama's that you would NOT think it was a publicity stunt? Get real Cam and while you are at it, how about getting honest as well.
2008-07-27 12:18:33
Spearhead
Gulf coast redneck hippy
+731|7110|Tampa Bay Florida

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope I would expect him to write a perfect prayer, as if it were gunna be read to the public...........oh wait
What would Bush have written?
I have no idea. Arew you really gunna try and tell me that if it were Bush's note that was found and it read like Obama's that you would NOT think it was a publicity stunt? Get real Cam and while you are at it, how about getting honest as well.
Yes

what does Bush have to do with anything in this thread? 

It sounds like you're more mad at how the people reported it than with Obamas note itself.
2008-07-27 12:36:15
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london
Id like to see him parachute into the convention on top of the lecturn and a trail of multi colored smoke following him.  thats a stunt.
2008-07-27 12:37:36
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7053|949

God Save the Queen wrote:

Id like to see him parachute into the convention on top of the lecturn and a trail of multi colored smoke following him.  thats a stunt.
Gotta include a midget Jeremiah Wright look-a-like.
2008-07-27 12:39:11
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6764|tropical regions of london
dressed like elvis of course.
2008-07-27 14:25:14
CameronPoe
Member
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lowing wrote:

I have no idea. Arew you really gunna try and tell me that if it were Bush's note that was found and it read like Obama's that you would NOT think it was a publicity stunt? Get real Cam and while you are at it, how about getting honest as well.
Why are you so irate about this publicity stunt, whether it is one or not? Logically speaking you would make sure you write something decent to put in the wall, on the off-chance that the note gets pulled out by someone else - especially when you're a politician. It all seems very logical to me.
2008-07-27 15:10:36
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7072|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

I have no idea. Arew you really gunna try and tell me that if it were Bush's note that was found and it read like Obama's that you would NOT think it was a publicity stunt? Get real Cam and while you are at it, how about getting honest as well.
Why are you so irate about this publicity stunt, whether it is one or not? Logically speaking you would make sure you write something decent to put in the wall, on the off-chance that the note gets pulled out by someone else - especially when you're a politician. It all seems very logical to me.
I am not one bit irate.

Just call a spade a spade nothing more nothing less.

 

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