More Georigia Vs Russia

2008-08-10 23:33:41

#1

SGT_Dicklewicz: Member; +33|7045

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2008 … rgia_N.htm

Fucking Georgia declares war on Russia (dumb move, like kicking Superman in the nuts.) and now Russia is saying Fuck you to a cease fire after pummeling them for 72 hours (not that I blame them because Russia had war declared upon them). This be the start of some international shit! Georgia apparently had troops helping our guys in Iraq. I am VERY nervous. Is it Russia and China's time to move in and Fuck us in the process? Oh wait, I forgot, we will all be fine come November when Obama is President and we have done a fine job of Fucking up our own Country ourselves.

I am also wondering what is the proper or historical response to Ceasefires? Is a Country required to grant it?

2008-08-11 00:30:19

#2

nukchebi0: Пушкин, наше всё; +387|6744|New Haven, CT

Georgia got attacked by Russia...its customary to express your displeasure.

Not responding to the ceasefire when you don't have much of a reason to be fighting on the scale you are (i.e. Russia) doesn't look good.

2008-08-11 01:53:47

#3

A W S M F O X R O X: Banned; +55|6191|A W S M F O X

Georgian president asking US for support.......

2008-08-11 02:00:29

#4

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6710|Éire

A W S M F O X R O X wrote:
Georgian president asking US for support.......

I'm guessing he'll be told to ask in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

2008-08-11 02:31:13

#5

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7085|NT, like Mick Dundee

Georgia was trying to get into NATO afaik... So yeah, this shite could turn out bad.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2008-08-11 02:32:52

#6

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

I'll just sit on my chair here and wait how it turns out.

If the US doesn't support Georgia now that'll give a very bad international image.

If the US does support Georgia shit might get really bad.

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2008-08-11 02:35:44

#7

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

CNN wrote:
"Swarms of Russian jets have launched new raids on Georgia as Moscow officials accuse its neighbor of violating a cease-fire around the breakaway province of South Ossetia, say reports."

what-the-fuck

wasn't it the Russians who refused a cease fire?

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2008-08-11 03:04:24

#8

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

As always there are two sides to every story. Upon hearing of this war starting I instantly assumed 'Fucking imperialist bullyboy Russian scum'. However, upon researching the situation I have realised a number of things.

1. Georgia have very questionable legitimacy in seeking to consolidate control over South Ossetia and Abkhazia - both of which were governed autonomously all throughout the existence of the USSR and on into the era of an independent Georgia. South Ossetians and Abkhazians are completely ethnically and linguistically distinct from Georgians. Both regions attempted to seek inclusion within the post-soviet Russia upon collapse of the USSR, fearing Georgian subjugation/domination.

2. Georgia sent troops into South Ossetia and Abhkazia to place South Ossetians and Abkhazians under their control, explicitly against the rather obvious wishes of these two peoples. You could say that we are witnessing Georgian imperialism.

3. The Russian reaction appears to have been extremely heavy handed. They have complete military superiority over Georgia, who now realise that they made a big mistake and have asked for a ceasefire, yet the Russians continue to pummel them. However, in the fog of war - have Georgia actually withdrawn as they say they have? Do we have the complete picture here?

4. The western nedia has been virulently anti-Russia to a ridiculously unbalanced degree. They haven't fleshed out any of the core issues here and are simply using this war, rightly or wrongly, to demonise Russia.

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2008-08-11 03:13:28

#9

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

Cam the last point is the problem, I don't really have much of a reliable source here because from what I read / hear the russians are explicitly anti-georgian and say they are at fault of everything while the georgians say exactly the opposite thing.

I don't think the georgians wouldn't withdraw their troops after a ceasefire. that would be stupid, because as you said they are completely inferior -militarily- to russia. While Russia stated the georgians actually attacked them during a (from what I heard) non-existant ceasefire, as Russia didn't even accept the offer. And are now pushing into all the other georgian territory.

Both sides lie?

and S-ossetia wanted independance from Georgia but that right got denied somewhere early 90's. They've been officially part of Georgia for about 17 years. (except on russian maps)

add to that that s-ossetia is the most rich place in the entire region, meaning both sides want it - and now instead of independance they'll be forced to be part of Russia, atleast that's what I think will happen.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-08-11 03:16:27)

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2008-08-11 03:42:57

#10

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

Interesting article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7553390.stm

2008-08-11 04:00:55

#11

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

Contrasted with this uber-biased appraisal of the situation.

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- … %2BAnswers

Did nobody tell Rupert Murdoch that neither Abkhazia nor South Ossetia are ANYWHERE NEAR his precious oil pipeline?

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2008-08-11 04:25:56

#12

A W S M F O X R O X: Banned; +55|6191|A W S M F O X

I think I'm just gonna sit back and sage over the whole thing.

2008-08-11 04:36:29

#13

kptk92: u; +972|6828|tc_london

Russia will continue to do Georgia up the rear until Georgia pull back.

2008-08-11 05:38:52

#14

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7182

wow, nice op...........lol.

anyway, you declare war on someone when they shoot down your shit in your own airspace and have troops inside your borders. I know, thats just the imagination of the west according to cam.

2008-08-11 05:41:39

#15

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6976

usmarine wrote:
wow, nice op...........lol.

anyway, you declare war on someone when they shoot down your shit in your own airspace and have troops inside your borders. I know, thats just the imagination of the west according to cam.

More deep thought from usmarine, completely oblivious to the realities on the ground. Obviously not big on South Ossetian or Abkhazian rights, eh? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Georgia roll the tanks in to regions of Georgia where they weren't welcome? Kind of like what Serbia did to Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and all of the other 'parts of Yugoslavia' that are now countries in their own right, some of which being down to western intervention??? Such rationalising is probably beyond usmarine...

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2008-08-11 05:49:31

#16

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

but now instead of being opressed with sticks the population got shelled and bombed by air attacks all day. I don't really see that as a solution, far from actually.

besides now they're in the midst of a war, which without western intervention - which probably will happen - (I hope not physically though) won't end anytime soon.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-08-11 05:50:36)

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2008-08-11 06:11:36

#17

AutralianChainsaw: Member; +65|6618

CameronPoe wrote:
4. The western nedia has been virulently anti-Russia to a ridiculously unbalanced degree. They haven't fleshed out any of the core issues here and are simply using this war, rightly or wrongly, to demonise Russia.

And 75% of this forum fall for it.. see the other thread.

2008-08-11 06:16:27

#18

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And 75% of this forum fall for it.. see the other thread.

no you fall for pravda.

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2008-08-11 06:19:40

#19

jord: Member; +2,382|7098|The North, beyond the wall.

CameronPoe wrote:
usmarine wrote:
wow, nice op...........lol.

anyway, you declare war on someone when they shoot down your shit in your own airspace and have troops inside your borders. I know, thats just the imagination of the west according to cam.
More deep thought from usmarine, completely oblivious to the realities on the ground. Obviously not big on South Ossetian or Abkhazian rights, eh? Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Georgia roll the tanks in to regions of Georgia where they weren't welcome? Kind of like what Serbia did to Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, Kosovo and all of the other 'parts of Yugoslavia' that are now countries in their own right, some of which being down to western intervention??? Such rationalising is probably beyond usmarine...

Russian has been handing passports out like they're going out of fashion to the S Ossetians. I've said it before and I'll say it again, if they really want to be part or Russia so badly they can go move there. It's not like there's not enough space...

2008-08-11 06:19:59

#20

BALTINS: ಠ_ಠ; +37|6907|Latvia

dayarath wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And 75% of this forum fall for it.. see the other thread.
no you fall for pravda.

Russia: Again Savior of Peace and Life.

Stratfor acknowledges Russia defeated US, not Georgian army in South Ossetia.

Hey, these are fair and unbiased reports, let pravda alone!!! ;(

..god i hate them..

2008-08-11 06:41:11

#21

Shocking: sorry you feel that way; +333|6419|...

BALTINS wrote:
dayarath wrote:
AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And 75% of this forum fall for it.. see the other thread.
no you fall for pravda.
Russia: Again Savior of Peace and Life.

Stratfor acknowledges Russia defeated US, not Georgian army in South Ossetia.

Hey, these are fair and unbiased reports, let pravda alone!!! ;(

..god i hate them..

USA approves Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia and Russia

US presidential runoff John McCain said that Russia should not interfere in the conflict in South Ossetia. The pro-Georgian propaganda in the US media testifies to the same opinion. It brings up the idea that the Georgian aggression against the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia has been coordinated with the US administration. Nevertheless, all arguments of US politicians and experts (Pravda.ru interviewed some of them) do not withstand any criticism. The USA does not condemn Mikhail Saakashvili, which is another fact to prove that the Georgian president has won USA’s approval for the war

Stratfor acknowledges Russia defeated US, not Georgian army in South Ossetia

The USA acknowledged that Russia had virtually defeated the US, but not the Georgian army in South Ossetia. US instructors have spent four years training the Georgian army for an attack against Russian citizens. The US administration refused to help Saakashvili, because the true goal of the new game in the Caucasus is absolutely different

Russia: Again Savior of Peace and Life

The international community collectively held their breath waiting for the reaction of Russia after the savage, brutal, criminal attack by Georgia on South Ossetia. After having offered a cease fire in hostilities, the back stabbing Georgians immediately violated the cease fire, invading South Ossetia and causing massive destruction and death among innocent civilians, among peacekeepers and also destroying a hospital.

holy shit

these people are nuts, if you can't call that brainwash I don't know what is

ZE MOTHERLAND wrote:

go russia/pravda.

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2008-08-11 06:48:28

#22

jord: Member; +2,382|7098|The North, beyond the wall.

For some weird reason I like that music. Seems... Powerful.

And it's not a defeat against the US at all. The Us doesn't use piece of shit old Russian technology, and doesn't have a military one tenth the size of Russia.

2008-08-11 07:25:16

#23

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7092|UK

It's the Russian national anthem ....commie.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-08-11 07:31:39

#24

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

you know, georgia has yet to have declared war on russia as far as Im able to read.

2008-08-11 07:33:20

#25

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6958|Long Island, New York

God Save the Queen wrote:
you know, georgia has yet to have declared war on russia as far as Im able to read.

http://www.radionetherlands.nl/news/int … clares-war

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AutralianChainsaw wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

usmarine wrote:

dayarath wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

BALTINS wrote:

dayarath wrote:

AutralianChainsaw wrote:

ZE MOTHERLAND wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

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