Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7143|Scotland

Oh, about the interview... I am not commenting on that aspect. The interview normally shakes out the people who aren't good enough for Oxbridge. It's always been a great asset to them and it will continue to be. The interview is great and is how Oxbridge can separate brilliance from everything else. I do not deny that it is a great way of choosing students. However, my comments in the latest posts haven't really been directed at Oxbridge. They have been overall comments on the system.

Also, Uzique... Where does he not come across as ignorant? He tells me I am wrong about the IB and how it is piss easy and blah blah blah, when he doesn't even know what it is. The IB is a collection of subjects, you can't just take one subject. You can't just choose any subject either, there are certain courses to be taken. It's the IB, not IB's plural. He compared subjects when you can't do that in the IB, it's a collective study. What's the point in coming up with such a comment when he clearly just wants to argue for the sake of it.

Statistics and percentages? Where have I ever relied on them? I see no comment of mine which relates to statistics. The comments I have made on the A-levels and UCAS ratings are pure fact. I also see no percentages. His comment was directed at me BEFORE I posted the evidence.

Also, if you went back a few pages, you would have seen that I praise the British educational system, and that it is one of the best in the world. I am just commenting on parts of it which could use a bit of "rethinking".
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6857

Poseidon wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I always have something good to say... blah blah, [insert old tiresome bf2s meme here for fellatio points]
... And you said in the other thread you weren't predictable?
Nobody cares what you have to say, because they're always these walls of texts that you think make you look like you're right, but they just make you look like a tool.
The people who don't care to read the walls of texts are exactly the sort of people I don't care to engage in debate/discussion with; so that filtration process works rather effectively, thanks for the compliments! Also, if by your logic someone that writes more than a paragraph is a "tool"- then I would do some introspective self-analysis at the sort of person behind that logic who views long passages of texts as disagreeable. I would more accurately and appropriately deem that person as as a tool... among other things.

Sorry Zimmer I guess I made some leaping assumptions due to the nature/tone of your more recent posts. They seemed totally anti A-Level and I made the conclusion you were using every fact and personal experience in favour of your argument. You are right indeed in applauding the British education system (especially the higher-level Universities) as being world-class in quality and reputation. At the end of the day, despite the minor improvements and balancing that could be done within the system, a well-merited A-Level or IB student with a degree can be a valued asset worldwide in terms of employability and intelligence.

Last edited by Uzique (2008-08-17 15:12:46)

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Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6876|Gogledd Cymru

Poseidon wrote:

I just don't care to read yours because if ANYONE of both of us is predictable, it's you. Which is ironic considering you're the one who claims I'm the predictable one, but if there's one thing anyone can predict from a post from you - it's a long ass post that nobody reads and is usually full of complete bullshit anyways.
Yes people do care, Uzique makes very good points and puts them forward eloquently, you however just tell anyone that points out flaws in your arguments that they have their panties in a bunch. It's a bit ironic saying he bullshits, especially coming from you.
Flaming_Maniac
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Those that feel mature enough to continue may do so.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
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The Sheriff wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I just don't care to read yours because if ANYONE of both of us is predictable, it's you. Which is ironic considering you're the one who claims I'm the predictable one, but if there's one thing anyone can predict from a post from you - it's a long ass post that nobody reads and is usually full of complete bullshit anyways.
Yes people do care, Uzique makes very good points and puts them forward eloquently, you however just tell anyone that points out flaws in your arguments that they have their panties in a bunch. It's a bit ironic saying he bullshits, especially coming from you.
Sir, I do find you to be both a mountebank AND a charlatan. I believe your statement is full of deceit and not of the holy truth!

I can't wait for Embry-Riddle. I get to see cowami, lawl

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-08-17 17:19:30)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7153|UK

Zimmer wrote:

Vilham wrote:

"Same will go with the IB. It will probably show that it is still the equivalent of 6 A-levels. And yet again the gvt. will reject such horrific facts as bullshit." That's because it is. An IB in IT is about 1/3 as hard and requires less than 1/2 the work of A-Level IT. This is coming from my mate at uni who started out doing A-Levels and switched to the IB's because they were so much easier and yet counted for so much more.
Switched to IB's? Mate, you talk straight out of your ass. Please refrain from posting bullshit. Please please do.
That's why the best schools in the world use the IB for their students, because it's easier than A-levels. You talk straight out of your ass.

Want me to prove you lovely bullshit? I shall

Rating is that IB counts as 5 a-levels
First hand IB experience and comparison
and finally
The guardian on the IB

from the guardian wrote:

It values a common IB score of 30 as equivalent to 419 Ucas points, while a student with three grade As at A-level scores only 360. A top IB score of 45 scores 768 Ucas points, while an A-level candidate would need more than six grade As to achieve the same tariff.
Please, return to your little hole and stay there.

Rofl, "an IB in IT". Do you even know what the IB is?
Insert subject behind everywhere I said IB then if you care so much, when you said an IB being worth 6 Alevels I thought you were stating an IB subject is worth 6 Alevels, my bad.

Last edited by Vilham (2008-08-18 09:16:15)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7153|UK

Zimmer wrote:

Oh, about the interview... I am not commenting on that aspect. The interview normally shakes out the people who aren't good enough for Oxbridge. It's always been a great asset to them and it will continue to be. The interview is great and is how Oxbridge can separate brilliance from everything else. I do not deny that it is a great way of choosing students. However, my comments in the latest posts haven't really been directed at Oxbridge. They have been overall comments on the system.

Also, Uzique... Where does he not come across as ignorant? He tells me I am wrong about the IB and how it is piss easy and blah blah blah, when he doesn't even know what it is. The IB is a collection of subjects, you can't just take one subject. You can't just choose any subject either, there are certain courses to be taken. It's the IB, not IB's plural. He compared subjects when you can't do that in the IB, it's a collective study. What's the point in coming up with such a comment when he clearly just wants to argue for the sake of it.

Statistics and percentages? Where have I ever relied on them? I see no comment of mine which relates to statistics. The comments I have made on the A-levels and UCAS ratings are pure fact. I also see no percentages. His comment was directed at me BEFORE I posted the evidence.

Also, if you went back a few pages, you would have seen that I praise the British educational system, and that it is one of the best in the world. I am just commenting on parts of it which could use a bit of "rethinking".
Indeed I don't know everything about the IB, please show me where I claimed such. I am slightly ignorant of its entire working. However thanks to teddy who calmly explained the entire system and didn't shit himself, I am now less ignorant.

From what my friend told me of "the IB" (lets lay a brick if people don't say A-Levels and say a levels or something because it makes such a huge difference) subject IT being a lot easier than the A-Level subject IT. And seeing as I didn't claim to know the entire system I assumed the use of words would be the same that you don't need to say "subject" to be clear your talking about a subject. You said you do more work that at A-Level, well according to my mate, in one of the subjects he took for his IB no actually it wasn't.


Even if an IB is worth 6 A-Levels that apparently isn't good enough for Oxford anyway unless you get pretty much full marks because all the people I know who got into Oxford (less than half that even applied) had 5-6 A Levels all of A grade along with some high level of skill in something like Music or sport. And as Uzique has said, uni's like Oxford and Cambridge care far more about your personal statement and interviews than what marks you got as long as they are above a certain level.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
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Uzique wrote:

Honestly, you haven't been as successful as some A-Level students in your exams and your opportunities; build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it.
I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh. Doing twice as much work in the same time period while gaining a pretty damn good score is quite an achievement. No offense dude but judging by your posts I don't think you really know much about IB. I've been through both the English and IB education systems so I guess I can compare!


My twin brother got 40+ points...he got rejected by 4/5 universities he applied to..he didn't get any interviews..his personal statement was actually quite good...so what the fuck did they not like about him?


I'd also like to point out that a lot of the people who do IB speak English as a second language...yet they still manage to do better than British A-level students.

Last edited by ..teddy..jimmy (2008-08-18 09:37:31)

Surgeons
U shud proabbly f off u fat prik
+3,097|6876|Gogledd Cymru

Lancaster must care more about personal statements and interviews aswell, I fell short by 3 grades yet got accepted.

Either that or they felt sorry for me.
Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7153|UK

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Honestly, you haven't been as successful as some A-Level students in your exams and your opportunities; build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it.
I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh. Doing twice as much work in the same time period while gaining a pretty damn good score is quite an achievement. No offense dude but judging by your posts I don't think you really know much about IB. I've been through both the English and IB education systems so I guess I can compare!


My twin brother got 40+ points...he got rejected by 4/5 universities he applied to..he didn't get any interviews..his personal statement was actually quite good...so what the fuck did they not like about him?
Out of interest what unis did he apply for?
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7143|Scotland

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Honestly, you haven't been as successful as some A-Level students in your exams and your opportunities; build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it.
I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh. Doing twice as much work in the same time period while gaining a pretty damn good score is quite an achievement. No offense dude but judging by your posts I don't think you really know much about IB. I've been through both the English and IB education systems so I guess I can compare!


My twin brother got 40+ points...he got rejected by 4/5 universities he applied to..he didn't get any interviews..his personal statement was actually quite good...so what the fuck did they not like about him?
Phone the Unis up and ask them to give you a reason. You are allowed to do that.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7036

Vilham wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Honestly, you haven't been as successful as some A-Level students in your exams and your opportunities; build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it.
I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh. Doing twice as much work in the same time period while gaining a pretty damn good score is quite an achievement. No offense dude but judging by your posts I don't think you really know much about IB. I've been through both the English and IB education systems so I guess I can compare!


My twin brother got 40+ points...he got rejected by 4/5 universities he applied to..he didn't get any interviews..his personal statement was actually quite good...so what the fuck did they not like about him?
Out of interest what unis did he apply for?
1. Warwick
2. Edinburgh
3. Bristol
4. Birmingham
5. Durham
..teddy..jimmy
Member
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Zimmer wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Honestly, you haven't been as successful as some A-Level students in your exams and your opportunities; build yourself a bridge and get the fuck over it.
I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh. Doing twice as much work in the same time period while gaining a pretty damn good score is quite an achievement. No offense dude but judging by your posts I don't think you really know much about IB. I've been through both the English and IB education systems so I guess I can compare!


My twin brother got 40+ points...he got rejected by 4/5 universities he applied to..he didn't get any interviews..his personal statement was actually quite good...so what the fuck did they not like about him?
Phone the Unis up and ask them to give you a reason. You are allowed to do that.
We did! It all came down to the same bullshit.........competition
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7143|Scotland

Wow, wait, he applied to Edinburgh? What did he apply to do?

What the fuck. There is no competition for Edinburgh.

Which one did he get accepted into?
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7036

Zimmer wrote:

Wow, wait, he applied to Edinburgh? What did he apply to do?

What the fuck. There is no competition for Edinburgh.

Which one did he get accepted into?
The only one he got into was Birmingham!

He did technically get into Warwick but they couldn't offer what he wanted to study..Politics and Philosophy.
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7143|Scotland

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Wow, wait, he applied to Edinburgh? What did he apply to do?

What the fuck. There is no competition for Edinburgh.

Which one did he get accepted into?
The only one he got into was Birmingham!

He did technically get into Warwick but they couldn't offer what he wanted to study..Politics and Philosophy.
Dude, that makes no sense.
Edinburh requires you to have 4Bs at Scottish Higher level..... that's an absolute joke of entry requirements. I can't understand why he didn't get in... 34 points for the IB... There should be no competition at all for Politics and Philosophy.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
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Zimmer wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Wow, wait, he applied to Edinburgh? What did he apply to do?

What the fuck. There is no competition for Edinburgh.

Which one did he get accepted into?
The only one he got into was Birmingham!

He did technically get into Warwick but they couldn't offer what he wanted to study..Politics and Philosophy.
Dude, that makes no sense.
Edinburh requires you to have 4Bs at Scottish Higher level..... that's an absolute joke of entry requirements. I can't understand why he didn't get in... 34 points for the IB... There should be no competition at all for Politics and Philosophy.
I know man..he was so depressed after all the rejections he got!

He would have been the perfect candidate for the course as well.
He got invited to GLYC which is a conference for the world's top students held in America.
He has the healthiest social life so that would not go against him.
He excels at sport.
Zimmer you've spoken to him a couple times and I'm sure that you'd vouch that he's a great guy...it seems as though the universities had absolutely no reason to deny him a place!

O well...he showed those bastards!
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6857
Still sounds like you need to get over it tbh

Grades and extra-curricular activities aren't everything; there's this immeasurable element known as 'potential'. Perhaps they didn't think your brother had that passion and spark for the area of subject he chose? Perhaps they didn't think the course was the best-suited course for him? There are a multitude of reasons why an admissions tutor and University department may reject a student...

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh.
Let's not turn this into an academic penis-flashing competition... I may not have an in-depth knowledge of the IB but I have excelled in every area of the British education system-- does that narrow experience not give me enough right to be in the Universities that of course you should have been accepted into by default?
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Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7143|Scotland

Teddy... you must be hiding some of the truth. Because if he sent it through UCAS, then he would not have been rejected.

It's the law to accept the application of a student if he/she meets the entry requirements. He met them and was fine for EVERY Uni. It's not a question about competition or whatever, it's the law. The universities MUST accept you if you applied via UCAS and met the entry requirements.

I'm stumped. There must be more information. Universities aren't allowed to reject students, it's all done automatically through UCAS and if you meet the entry requirements, the acceptance is immediate.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
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Uzique wrote:

Still sounds like you need to get over it tbh

Grades and extra-curricular activities aren't everything; there's this immeasurable element known as 'potential'. Perhaps they didn't think your brother had that passion and spark for the area of subject he chose? Perhaps they didn't think the course was the best-suited course for him? There are a multitude of reasons why an admissions tutor and University department may reject a student...

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

I'd say all in all I've been more successful tbh.
Let's not turn this into an academic penis-flashing competition... I may not have an in-depth knowledge of the IB but I have excelled in every area of the British education system-- does that narrow experience not give me enough right to be in the Universities that of course you should have been accepted into by default?
Get over it?! How the fuck should I get over my brother being rejected from mediocre universities when he excelled at IB?! Please stop Uzique..srsly.. he has the absolute passion and spark necessary for the course that he chose and ffs he even got invited to one of the most prestigious political youth events in the world but still got rejected to do fucking politics! You try getting the fuck over it..imagine if you were rejected fby all these universities even though you had a great application and had everything going for you..seriously don't talk until it's actually happened to you. I know you go to Oxford and must have an inflated ego that reaches the moon but even you can understand that being rejected fucking sucks ...especially when people around you are being accepted to the same unis and are predicted lower.

Yes..yes there are multiple reasons why the universities can reject him. I have yet to mention this but this happened to both my brother and I. On our UCAS applications we both had to specify that we lived abroad..all the unis then assumed we were foreign fee paying students. As soon as my brother clarified that he was a British citizen who would be paying home fees the rejections started coming. This, I fear, is the main reason he got rejected because I wouldn't honestly believe any reason why they would otherwise turn him away from their institution.   

Also..how the hell do you measure a person's potential from a personal statement that is limited to a number of characters. How has a person who has taken 6 tough subjects at IB and gotten 40 points not got potential? Again..I think you underestimate just how much we have to do and if we achieve decent grades it must mean we have potential to work hard and do well.. but it's fuckingking tough.

I'm sure you excelled in A-levels and well done you..but the sooner you and British Universities realize that IB students get less credit when it comes to applications than they deserve the sooner you realize the system is flawed.

...and Zimmer nothing has been hidden from you. He got rejected through UCAS with no explanation. I was shocked!


EDIT: btw I've been drinking so s'cuse the amount of fucks and excess aggression that may or may not have been used in this post. Deep down inside..I don't really give a shit.

Last edited by ..teddy..jimmy (2008-08-18 21:15:38)

tahadar
Sniper!!
+183|7125|Pakistan/England

Zimmer wrote:

Uzique wrote:

m3thod wrote:

I'm sure it does! but hes not going there to booze....well i hope he isn't.

Remember newbies the choice of university is just as important as what you did and what you got.  I know of one or two organisations that explicitly state oxbridge only.
And to be fair they're probably fools for subscribing to an old-fashioned and outdated view of the British higher-education system. All of the Russell Group Universities are just as good as Oxbridge in my opinion in certain areas or aspects of student-life, and it's a shame that some graduate employment schemes still use such an outdated form of classism and snobbery. They miss out though- I'm sure you can vouch for the high quality of other 'rival' Universities such as Durham, Warwick, Imperial College / LSE (depending on the specific sciences / economics etc.) They don't bring the prestige and the reputation but they still bring the same calibre of graduate in my honest opinion.
The opinion is slightly flawed though. It has been shown that sutdents learn much better if taught in small groups - which is technically unique in oxbridge, unless you take a subject which nobody else took.

I also thought the same; how Edinburgh, Warwick, Imperial were just as good if not better in some aspects; and for a "real life" experience, I guess they are, but just look at the McLaren F1 team of engineers ( this may be outdated, but I am sure it's not too old ) ALL of them graduated at Cambridge. Now take a look at how they have developed their cars... It's not because they came out of Cambridge that they were picked, they were picked because they were the best.

Although your comment about "prestige and reputation" is a bit wrong. You graduate from Imperial or Durham and, as the saying goes, the whole world is your oyster. There are the two top : Cambridge and Oxford, closely followed by Belfast, Durham, Imperial and Warwick, then followed by Glasgow, Edinburgh and the rest. I guess it's a narrow view I have, and maybe it's not totally right, but the way you are tought in those "superior" Unis is far better compared to the average one.

Still, the best Unis in the world are still Harvard and the great ones in the US ( according to educational reports ). Still, I wouldn't want to pay $40,000 a year.
just wanted to point out, i personally know of two engineers at McLaren who went to Imperial, and the chief aero man at Ferrari F1 (tomba) is an imperial graduate. he worked at mclaren for 3 years too. Lots of F1 engineers are from loughborough too.
Microwave
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+515|7042|Loughborough Uni / Leeds, UK

tahadar wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Uzique wrote:


And to be fair they're probably fools for subscribing to an old-fashioned and outdated view of the British higher-education system. All of the Russell Group Universities are just as good as Oxbridge in my opinion in certain areas or aspects of student-life, and it's a shame that some graduate employment schemes still use such an outdated form of classism and snobbery. They miss out though- I'm sure you can vouch for the high quality of other 'rival' Universities such as Durham, Warwick, Imperial College / LSE (depending on the specific sciences / economics etc.) They don't bring the prestige and the reputation but they still bring the same calibre of graduate in my honest opinion.
The opinion is slightly flawed though. It has been shown that sutdents learn much better if taught in small groups - which is technically unique in oxbridge, unless you take a subject which nobody else took.

I also thought the same; how Edinburgh, Warwick, Imperial were just as good if not better in some aspects; and for a "real life" experience, I guess they are, but just look at the McLaren F1 team of engineers ( this may be outdated, but I am sure it's not too old ) ALL of them graduated at Cambridge. Now take a look at how they have developed their cars... It's not because they came out of Cambridge that they were picked, they were picked because they were the best.

Although your comment about "prestige and reputation" is a bit wrong. You graduate from Imperial or Durham and, as the saying goes, the whole world is your oyster. There are the two top : Cambridge and Oxford, closely followed by Belfast, Durham, Imperial and Warwick, then followed by Glasgow, Edinburgh and the rest. I guess it's a narrow view I have, and maybe it's not totally right, but the way you are tought in those "superior" Unis is far better compared to the average one.

Still, the best Unis in the world are still Harvard and the great ones in the US ( according to educational reports ). Still, I wouldn't want to pay $40,000 a year.
just wanted to point out, i personally know of two engineers at McLaren who went to Imperial, and the chief aero man at Ferrari F1 (tomba) is an imperial graduate. he worked at mclaren for 3 years too. Lots of F1 engineers are from loughborough too.
Awesome! Glad to hear that!
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6540|what

Alright it's been three years. Who here has graduated from the above? I have, and I'm in the workforce and miss the easy days of Uni...
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6493|eXtreme to the maX
Imperial and Loughborough.
I do not miss the Maths, taught by the Maths dept and wholly unrelated to practical engineering....
Fuck Israel
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6857
i graduated summa cum laude, won the undergrad prize for best essay, was greeted in my hometown with palm fronds and 42 virgins.

i had taken the decision by that point to completely self-finance and assume responsibility for my 'next step', so from there i was either going to take a year out and work to save money and then go to cambridge for a master's in critical practice (at the rec of my director of graduate studies) or ucl for a course in modernist literature. i dropped oxford from my choices cause their equivalent course in modern literature seems to be one of the most complained about and unsatisfactory graduate courses around (i.e. new stuff ain't their strongpoint). on the offchance i messaged the course convenor at ucl after graduating and was offered an unconditional place, which meant i'd be going there the following september and getting myself in lots of debt to do so (as i was insisting on no more family support).

though all this became total irrelevant in the end, anyway, cause a month or so after all this decision making i was told i was offered a full all-expenses paid scholarship to continue postgraduate study at my first alma mater. not fancing a year working a shitty job to save £10-15k and knowing that only about 5 of these were given out across the entire university each year, i was convinced by my personal tutor that it conveys enough prestige to not worry about hopping 10 miles into the city to ucl's department (i was also sensibly introduced to the world of research ratings and rankings, which are a whole different ballgame to the sort of reputation-based newspaper rankings that i had been naively basing my decision making on up to that point). et voila. my academic life story. i might make it into a novel someday.
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