Hmmmmm I think with a weeks notice you could walk or crawl out of a city Ken. You know kinda like they are doing with THIS hurricane.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, sorry. In reality (as opposed to your Thomas More-like paradise) sometimes there are situations when no matter what you do to help yourself things go wrong and you need assistance from outside forces. You may not like it, but it is reality.lowing wrote:
Why thank you very much.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I applaud your ability to spout your personal responsibility/illegal scum bullshit no matter what the topic.
It is obvious to me that you think there are times when you are not responsible for yourself or your actions. Interesting. I now know why you consider personal responsibility "bullshit". If I were you I would be pissed off at me as well.
Yes and this time was exactly like the last time. Oh wait, no it wasn't even close to the same thing.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm I think with a weeks notice you could walk or crawl out of a city Ken. You know kinda like they are doing with THIS hurricane.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, sorry. In reality (as opposed to your Thomas More-like paradise) sometimes there are situations when no matter what you do to help yourself things go wrong and you need assistance from outside forces. You may not like it, but it is reality.lowing wrote:
Why thank you very much.
It is obvious to me that you think there are times when you are not responsible for yourself or your actions. Interesting. I now know why you consider personal responsibility "bullshit". If I were you I would be pissed off at me as well.
I'm not the one trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole, you are.
Not like the last time? you mean a CAT 5 hurricane was not headed for N.O. the last time??KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes and this time was exactly like the last time. Oh wait, no it wasn't even close to the same thing.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm I think with a weeks notice you could walk or crawl out of a city Ken. You know kinda like they are doing with THIS hurricane.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
No, sorry. In reality (as opposed to your Thomas More-like paradise) sometimes there are situations when no matter what you do to help yourself things go wrong and you need assistance from outside forces. You may not like it, but it is reality.
I'm not the one trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole, you are.
Can you even grasp the concept of evacuating a major city? Not everyone has the money or assets to just "Leave". This group includes the poor and sick people that need medical attention. These people wont leave unless they have to and that requires government resources. Lets not even get into the education level of those in the heart of major cities who can't even conceive what a hurricane is let alone the danger.lowing wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you needed govt. permission to get out of the way of CAT5 hurricane. Wow that democratic thumb presses down harder than I thought in N.O.Kmarion wrote:
With Katrina Nagin didn't ordered the mandatory evac 18 hours before the storm. As someone who has experience evacuating before storms I can tell you that is not enough time for a city that big. Especially when you don't have the means. It is true that people became complacent after years of free passes. But the evacuation issue had a lot to do with poor local leadership.
Heres the real issue, people moved back to a city that shouldn't even exist after Katrina. Personally I hope this hurricane buries the place and finally wakes people up to the fact that you just don't live in some places.
You've never been in a disaster-prone area, have you?lowing wrote:
Not like the last time? you mean a CAT 5 hurricane was not headed for N.O. the last time??KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes and this time was exactly like the last time. Oh wait, no it wasn't even close to the same thing.lowing wrote:
Hmmmmm I think with a weeks notice you could walk or crawl out of a city Ken. You know kinda like they are doing with THIS hurricane.
I'm not the one trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole, you are.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
i have. but i also have lived in areas where tornadoes can come with literally minutes to react. in all cases, they had days to move and prepare.Spark wrote:
You've never been in a disaster-prone area, have you?
edit. i removed your goddamn bold
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Good luck to everyone down there. Legal or otherwise.
Hmmm, can I grasp leaving a major city? yeah I think I can do that. Can you grasp that THEY CHOSE not to? Like I said, with a weeks notice, you can crawl out of city. for higher ground.topthrill05 wrote:
Can you even grasp the concept of evacuating a major city? Not everyone has the money or assets to just "Leave". This group includes the poor and sick people that need medical attention. These people wont leave unless they have to and that requires government resources. Lets not even get into the education level of those in the heart of major cities who can't even conceive what a hurricane is let alone the danger.lowing wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you needed govt. permission to get out of the way of CAT5 hurricane. Wow that democratic thumb presses down harder than I thought in N.O.Kmarion wrote:
With Katrina Nagin didn't ordered the mandatory evac 18 hours before the storm. As someone who has experience evacuating before storms I can tell you that is not enough time for a city that big. Especially when you don't have the means. It is true that people became complacent after years of free passes. But the evacuation issue had a lot to do with poor local leadership.
Heres the real issue, people moved back to a city that shouldn't even exist after Katrina. Personally I hope this hurricane buries the place and finally wakes people up to the fact that you just don't live in some places.
Yup I sure have, and never not once has ANY disaster kept me from working and on FREE govt. assistance and a FREE home for 4 years.Spark wrote:
You've never been in a disaster-prone area, have you?lowing wrote:
Not like the last time? you mean a CAT 5 hurricane was not headed for N.O. the last time??KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes and this time was exactly like the last time. Oh wait, no it wasn't even close to the same thing.
I'm not the one trying to fit a sqaure peg into a round hole, you are.
I wish you'd say no to FREE oxygen.
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
government is paying my way through school
Now, that hurt.m3thod wrote:
I wish you'd say no to FREE oxygen.
not true, you have purchased your way through school with your service to your country. You are not getting something for nothing. Oh, and I thank you.God Save the Queen wrote:
government is paying my way through school
and I thankyou likewise. regardless of how evil I think you are, you are still a former serviceman.lowing wrote:
not true, you have purchased your way through school with your service to your country. You are not getting something for nothing. Oh, and I thank you.God Save the Queen wrote:
government is paying my way through school
lol, evil? I am not evil GSQ. I am responsible, and I merely expect, even demand everyone else( who is not disabled or a child) to be as well. If you are not, then you and I have served a country where we are both able to CHOOSE not to tolerate it and even to speak out against it.God Save the Queen wrote:
and I thankyou likewise. regardless of how evil I think you are, you are still a former serviceman.lowing wrote:
not true, you have purchased your way through school with your service to your country. You are not getting something for nothing. Oh, and I thank you.God Save the Queen wrote:
government is paying my way through school
I would also like to think that I served a nation that sought the responsibility of helping people that couldnt help themselves.
It wasn't a cat five. It was actually a cat 3 when it made landfall with a cat 4 stormsurge. The threat was downplayed for years. It's no wonder people became complacent. In a perfect world everyone would having lowings supreme foresight. Until then we are going to have to wait 3 years for him to tell us what should have happened.lowing wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you needed govt. permission to get out of the way of CAT5 hurricane. Wow that democratic thumb presses down harder than I thought in N.O.Kmarion wrote:
With Katrina Nagin didn't ordered the mandatory evac 18 hours before the storm. As someone who has experience evacuating before storms I can tell you that is not enough time for a city that big. Especially when you don't have the means. It is true that people became complacent after years of free passes. But the evacuation issue had a lot to do with poor local leadership.
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I thought I said that. I just choose to dispise those that will not help themselves or do not work for any help they recieve.God Save the Queen wrote:
I would also like to think that I served a nation that sought the responsibility of helping people that couldnt help themselves.
Big difference between will not and can not.
No not really, evacuations from hurricanes has pretty much been a standard practice for a long long time. they even post "evacuation route" signs all along the roadways for you to follow. It is also not a new occurance to have people that stayed behind get killed from the storm.Kmarion wrote:
It wasn't a cat five. It was actually a cat 3 when it made landfall with a cat 4 stormsurge. The threat was downplayed for years. It's no wonder people became complacent. In a perfect world everyone would having lowings supreme foresight. Until then we are going to have to wait 3 years for him to tell us what should have happened.lowing wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you needed govt. permission to get out of the way of CAT5 hurricane. Wow that democratic thumb presses down harder than I thought in N.O.Kmarion wrote:
With Katrina Nagin didn't ordered the mandatory evac 18 hours before the storm. As someone who has experience evacuating before storms I can tell you that is not enough time for a city that big. Especially when you don't have the means. It is true that people became complacent after years of free passes. But the evacuation issue had a lot to do with poor local leadership.
They made a choice and they lived or died by it.
You know why we New Orleans is better prepared? Is because LA now has a republican governor instead of a democratic governor. It helps explains the difference between the two
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
but hes hinduWar Man wrote:
You know why we New Orleans is better prepared? Is because LA now has a republican governor instead of a democratic governor. It helps explains the difference between the two
So? Hindu is a peaceful religion, crazy one but peacefulGod Save the Queen wrote:
but hes hinduWar Man wrote:
You know why we New Orleans is better prepared? Is because LA now has a republican governor instead of a democratic governor. It helps explains the difference between the two
Edit: actually you don't know that, could be a Christian for all we know.
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The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
Yea I know all about evacuation routes and the signs placed along the roads..lol. I pass about six of them on the way to work. I guess that is supposed to tell me the probability of getting hit by any and all storms. Something the meteorologist rarely do.lowing wrote:
No not really, evacuations from hurricanes has pretty much been a standard practice for a long long time. they even post "evacuation route" signs all along the roadways for you to follow. It is also not a new occurance to have people that stayed behind get killed from the storm.Kmarion wrote:
It wasn't a cat five. It was actually a cat 3 when it made landfall with a cat 4 stormsurge. The threat was downplayed for years. It's no wonder people became complacent. In a perfect world everyone would having lowings supreme foresight. Until then we are going to have to wait 3 years for him to tell us what should have happened.lowing wrote:
Oh, I didn't know you needed govt. permission to get out of the way of CAT5 hurricane. Wow that democratic thumb presses down harder than I thought in N.O.
They made a choice and they lived or died by it.
I do like the fact that I don't have to pay any tolls when an order has been issued though.
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the American way in an nutshell, every man for himselfS.Lythberg wrote:
I hear the people who stick around shouldn't expect a rescue helicopter this time...
Maybe now my tax dollars can be spent on something (and someone) more useful
i guess i missed all the people trying to help last time. must have been an illusion.herrr_smity wrote:
the American way in an nutshell, every man for himself