M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6642|Escea

I love how if one person dislikes a countires customs its considered ignorant, yet when they say the US ones are stupid and everything its not.

Double-Standards FTW!
mikkel
Member
+383|7021

M.O.A.B wrote:

I love how if one person dislikes a countires customs its considered ignorant, yet when they say the US ones are stupid and everything its not.

Double-Standards FTW!
I think more people laughed at the outrage that the Mohammad cartoons inspired than are laughing at the outrage that this ridiculous drama is inspiring.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|7046|Canada

usmarine wrote:

You dont toss out flags in the garbage.  HOW ABOUT YOU GO PLANT THEM AT A CEMETERY AT SOME VETERANS GRAVES YOU FUCKING IDIOTS. 

I bet they took the CHANGE posters home and have those hanging up.  stupid fucks.

also, we dont need any eurotrash comments.  kthx
why do u feel you're better than them? "eurotrash" wow, well u coming from ohio i can call u a small town hick? maybe white trash redneck? easy with the name calling. all it shows is your ignorance and closed mindedness.

why do people with an open mind get lambasted and gutted by closed minded ppl? a flag is a piece of material. thats all it is. patriotism is something you feel in your heart and mind. you americans actually need something visual to feel patriotic about? wow. if u really are as patriotic as u say u are, why do you treat your fellow "liberal" citizens the way you do? an american is an american. and why treat your land like u do? recklessly burning and devouring its resources.
13rin
Member
+977|6899

destruktion_6143 wrote:

why do u feel you're better than them? "eurotrash" wow, well u coming from ohio i can call u a small town hick? maybe white trash redneck? easy with the name calling. all it shows is your ignorance and closed mindedness.

why do people with an open mind get lambasted and gutted by closed minded ppl? a flag is a piece of material. thats all it is. patriotism is something you feel in your heart and mind. you americans actually need something visual to feel patriotic about? wow. if u really are as patriotic as u say u are, why do you treat your fellow "liberal" citizens the way you do? an american is an american. and why treat your land like u do? recklessly burning and devouring its resources.
Close minded to mean he doesn't accept your point of view (which must be right)?  If you haven't noticed the left is just as if not more vicious and intollerant of their political counterpart.  Does that mean the Dems hate the Republicans?  Probably some of them do, just like some D hating R's.  They are a sad breed, the Cindy Sheehans and Pelosi types.  And if I was one of them, I'd be apologizing to you for something Bush and "global warming" did to you.  -But, I'm not so here's your apology __. 


I really had to laugh at the  "Recklessly Burning and devouring its resouruces" jab.  You do know about the bans on drilling for oil and the Endangered species act (keeping property owners from developing thier land)?  I guess then there is no reason for all the "snow birds" to take vacations down here.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
destruktion_6143
Was ist Loos?
+154|7046|Canada

DBBrinson1 wrote:

destruktion_6143 wrote:

why do u feel you're better than them? "eurotrash" wow, well u coming from ohio i can call u a small town hick? maybe white trash redneck? easy with the name calling. all it shows is your ignorance and closed mindedness.

why do people with an open mind get lambasted and gutted by closed minded ppl? a flag is a piece of material. thats all it is. patriotism is something you feel in your heart and mind. you americans actually need something visual to feel patriotic about? wow. if u really are as patriotic as u say u are, why do you treat your fellow "liberal" citizens the way you do? an american is an american. and why treat your land like u do? recklessly burning and devouring its resources.
Close minded to mean he doesn't accept your point of view (which must be right)?  If you haven't noticed the left is just as if not more vicious and intollerant of their political counterpart.  Does that mean the Dems hate the Republicans?  Probably some of them do, just like some D hating R's.  They are a sad breed, the Cindy Sheehans and Pelosi types.  And if I was one of them, I'd be apologizing to you for something Bush and "global warming" did to you.  -But, I'm not so here's your apology __. 


I really had to laugh at the  "Recklessly Burning and devouring its resouruces" jab.  You do know about the bans on drilling for oil and the Endangered species act (keeping property owners from developing thier land)?  I guess then there is no reason for all the "snow birds" to take vacations down here.
why do republicans want to drill in alaska so bad? actually, its not just republicans. a variety of americans. look. all im saying is that patriotism shouldnt be FLAG based. thats just rediculous, treat your fellow americans and country like u treat the sacred flag, and you'll all be happier.
imortal
Member
+240|7084|Austin, TX
"I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

If you don't live here, we don't expect you to understand.  Frankly, a lot of us don't even care if you understand.  To be honest, some of the people here don't seem to understand either; those, I worry about.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7051|949

The Pledge of Allegiance is stupid and reminds me of blind fascism.

There I said it. 

The flag of the US is so sacred it's mass produced in China for pennies so people can put it on their car bumper/motorcycle helmet/thong bikini/bong/condom/banana hammock.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-09-08 19:01:24)

imortal
Member
+240|7084|Austin, TX

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The Pledge of Allegiance is stupid and reminds me of blind fascism.

There I said it. 

The flag of the US is so sacred it's mass produced in China for pennies so people can put it on their car bumper/motorcycle helmet/thong bikini/bong/condom/banana hammock.
My allegiance to my flag and my nation is neither blind, nor the followings of a fanatic.  I do not expect you to believe me or to understand. And you know what?  I really don't care that you don't get it.  You are going to think of me what you will, and that affects my life not one damned bit.  I am proud of my flag.  I am proud of my country and what I did in its service.  And when I die, I will be proud to have the flag draped over my coffin, and have the flag presented to my widow in thanks for honorable service.


Yes, the flag has been cheapened by mass production and marketing of it.  For those blankets and cloting lines, I feel nothing positive.  But that does not lessen the import of the flag when it is displayed or used properly.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6890
It's a goddamned FLAG, not some iconic symbol of worship.

You're talking about that piece of textiles work as if it was folded by God and handed to Earth on a gold-trimmed pedastal.

As I've said many times before, I understand the respect and reverence for what the flag stands for, but seriously... what the hell?
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13rin
Member
+977|6899

Uzique wrote:

It's a goddamned FLAG, not some iconic symbol of worship.

You're talking about that piece of textiles work as if it was folded by God and handed to Earth on a gold-trimmed pedastal.

As I've said many times before, I understand the respect and reverence for what the flag stands for, but seriously... what the hell?
You type that you understand, but from your post it is obvious that you either don't get it or just enjoy 'poking the bear'... For myself and some other Americans that gaze upon Old Glory, they don't just see a flag, they see a representation of a proud nation, full of compassionate people. They recognize the souls of countless American Heroes that paid the ultimate sacrifice for their country men.  Call it tradition or call it an "iconic symbol of worship"..  I can't after reading your posts here expect you to understand any logical argument that would change your mind.  And, I don't really care... I'd say something smug about traditions and your Queens/Kings, but it'd be falling on deaf ears.  You just don't get it.

Last edited by DBBrinson1 (2008-09-08 21:31:13)

I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6525|eXtreme to the maX
The Pledge of Allegiance is stupid and reminds me of blind fascism.
Its called the Pledge of Obedience now, it was a one liner buried in the Patriot Act.
The words are the same however.
For myself and some other Americans that gaze upon Old Glory, they don't just see a flag, they see a representation of a proud nation, full of compassionate people.
Thats because you're brainwashed.
Fuck Israel
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6281
America takes their flag way too serious

CALM DOWN, ITS ONLY A FLAG!
NO ONE IS GOING TO DIE!!!!
PureFodder
Member
+225|6705
I guess the USA takes more care over it's national symbols after almost DDTing another one into extinction.
13rin
Member
+977|6899

PureFodder wrote:

I guess the USA takes more care over it's national symbols after almost DDTing another one into extinction.
I don't buy into the DDT egg argument (many don't).  But by, banning DDT has killed millions upon millions of people.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7181

Dilbert_X wrote:

Thats because you're brainwashed.
you're gay.  gtfo kid.  nobody likes you here anyway.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6525|eXtreme to the maX

USM wrote:

you're gay.  gtfo kid.  nobody likes you here anyway.
Wasn't talking to you, Mr 14 year old pretend soldier.
Now why don't you STFU, put GS's dick back in your mouth and get to work?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2008-09-09 06:10:23)

Fuck Israel
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6939|Πάϊ

imortal wrote:

"I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

If you don't live here, we don't expect you to understand.  Frankly, a lot of us don't even care if you understand.  To be honest, some of the people here don't seem to understand either; those, I worry about.
Actually you pledge allegiance to the flag as asymbol of your nation. In other words you pledge allegiance to your nation - as the latter is symbolised by the flag - not the flag itself.

Your affiliation is with the values for which the flag stands, not the fucking cloth. A symbol has nothing to do with the material world. So if you're making such a big fuss about a few flags that were thrown away then it is YOU who don't fucking get it.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7181

Dilbert_X wrote:

USM wrote:

you're gay.  gtfo kid.  nobody likes you here anyway.
Wasn't talking to you, Mr 14 year old pretend soldier.
Now why don't you STFU, put GS's dick back in your mouth and get to work?
14.  lol.  just leave.  you are beyoned stupid.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7041|London, England
flags are gay
imortal
Member
+240|7084|Austin, TX

oug wrote:

imortal wrote:

"I Pledge Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands..."

If you don't live here, we don't expect you to understand.  Frankly, a lot of us don't even care if you understand.  To be honest, some of the people here don't seem to understand either; those, I worry about.
Actually you pledge allegiance to the flag as asymbol of your nation. In other words you pledge allegiance to your nation - as the latter is symbolised by the flag - not the flag itself.

Your affiliation is with the values for which the flag stands, not the fucking cloth. A symbol has nothing to do with the material world. So if you're making such a big fuss about a few flags that were thrown away then it is YOU who don't fucking get it.
I agree with you, it is not icon worship.  But the flag is a representation of the ideals of our nation.  The flag is not the manifestation of our our nation, but is the symbol of it.  And the flag is not the only symbol.  Our Constitution, for example.  Our armed forces vow to defend the Constitution of the United States, not to defend a piece of land. 

The importance of the United States comes not from the land it holds, or the people that populate it.  It comes from the ideals that created the nation.  The Constitution.  The Declaration of Independence.  The Bill of Rights.  And those values are imputed into our flag.  We put so much value in our flag as a representation of our nation that we add a star each time another state joins the Union.  Every star, every stripe, every color has meaning.  How you treat the flag is considred representative (by many Americans) of how you think of and would treat the nation. 

We are not fanatic about it, but we do take it seriously.  Especially those of us who served in the military take it seriously. If you don't get it, you don't get it.  If you were an American and did not understand, I would be dissapointed.  As you are a (yet another) European who doesn't understand, oh well.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7181

soccer is gay.  rugby is for homos.  and cricket is beyond lame.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6525|eXtreme to the maX
14.  lol.  just leave.  you are beyoned stupid.
If you're talking Gunslinger ain't smiling.
Fuck Israel
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7041|London, England

usmarine wrote:

soccer is gay.  rugby is for homos.  and cricket is beyond lame.
Now me and you got a problem
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6525|eXtreme to the maX
We are not fanatic about it, but we do take it seriously.  Especially those of us who served in the military take it seriously.
As I said, brainwashed - hence the reaction here.
Its just a frigging flag, not one of the stone tablets handed to Moses.
Fuck Israel
oug
Calmer than you are.
+380|6939|Πάϊ
@ imortal: So from what I said you gather that I don't understand? I'm disappointed.

btw my flag too is a representation of my country's ideals and it too also carries meaning in everything - the colors, the number of stripes, the shape, the design etc etc

That doesn't mean that I will hesitate in throwing one away. Like I said before, by throwing away a flag you don't throw away what it represents. If you want to express your dislike for the latter you would have to desecrate it in a distinct manner. Which is fine by me when there's a reason.

Last edited by oug (2008-09-09 06:22:48)

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