SpIk3y
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On full load (folding@home), my new E8400 is running really hot - one core was 72C while the other one got to 80C before I turned FAH off.  I just used the thermal paste that came with the Freezer7Pro... will some of this Arctic Silver Ceramique that I have make a big difference if I reapply the heatsink using it?

Also - I've notice that my multiplier is jumping around between 6x and 9x.  I tried disabling Speed Step in the BIOS but it still drops to 6x.  Is there some other setting I need to tweak to get rid of speed step?

Specs:
Asus P5Q Pro
E8400 (stock speeds)

Last edited by SpIk3y (2008-11-27 18:45:41)

phishman420
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Probably not seated correctly. I doubt the brand name of thermal paste really matters.
max
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The F7P comes with pre-applied MX-2 which is actually pretty good. Probs a bad mount. Get some new thermal paste (as5 or whatever) clean the heat sink, spread the thermal paste and remount
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jaymz9350
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Yeah the paste is not the problem, it's one of the top available.  you most likely have a bad mount.
CrazeD
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Don't use ceramique, that's adhesive. Buy some AS5 or AS MX-2.
kylef
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Regarding temperature spikes and constant highs - I've had personal experience on this with thermal paste. If the fan becomes dislodged after assembly the thermal paste, despite how strong it is meant to be, breaks and thus the connectivity bond is broken. Get some Isopropyl (seriously, it may not seem that necessary but it is - again personal experience) and clean off all the old paste to make it clean as it was new - clean the CPU and the fan base. Apply a new layer (spread or blob, personally I do the former) and ensure your fan is attached properly.

My E6400 used to run at 35-40C, then one day it was running over 70C constantly. I did the above without cleaning it properly and it went down to 50 or so. With Isopropyl it went down to <30.

Last edited by kylef (2008-11-28 03:09:59)

jaymz9350
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CrazeD wrote:

Don't use ceramique, that's adhesive. Buy some AS5 or AS MX-2.
incorrect ceramique isn't adhesive.  It's not quite as good a performer as as5 but is also completely non conductive or capacitive.
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jaymz9350 wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Don't use ceramique, that's adhesive. Buy some AS5 or AS MX-2.
incorrect ceramique isn't adhesive.  It's not quite as good a performer as as5 but is also completely non conductive or capacitive.
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max wrote:

The F7P comes with pre-applied MX-2 which is actually pretty good. Probs a bad mount. Get some new thermal paste (as5 or whatever) clean the heat sink, spread the thermal paste and remount
Yep, pre-applied paste on my old Freezer64 worked really good.
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GC_PaNzerFIN
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I love Zalman's STG-1 paste. It comes with a brush for easy apply and performs pretty much equally to AS5.

My Q6600 ran quite hot because the heatspreader was not completely flat. had to reapply the paste few times to get optimal contact.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-11-28 07:39:14)

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I love Zalman's STG-1 paste. It comes with a brush for easy apply and peforms pretty much equally to AS5.
Also my favourite so far. Zalman bundles lots of it, for couple applies. I don't like Arctic Silver-it sticks to the CPU too much (almost like glue or permanent thermal pastes).
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.Sup wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I love Zalman's STG-1 paste. It comes with a brush for easy apply and peforms pretty much equally to AS5.
Also my favourite so far. Zalman bundles lots of it, for couple applies. I don't like Arctic Silver-it sticks to the CPU too much (almost like glue or permanent thermal pastes).
I have a AS arctic clean kit. it makes removing the paste as easy as it can be. also it is worth noting that although the surface may look clean, there is often quite a lot paste left but the kit has some pretty good stuff to get the surface shining like new.
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

.Sup wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I love Zalman's STG-1 paste. It comes with a brush for easy apply and peforms pretty much equally to AS5.
Also my favourite so far. Zalman bundles lots of it, for couple applies. I don't like Arctic Silver-it sticks to the CPU too much (almost like glue or permanent thermal pastes).
I have a AS arctic clean kit. it makes removing the paste as easy as it can be. also it is worth noting that although the surface may look clean, there is often quite a lot paste left but the kit has some pretty good stuff to get the surface shining like new.
The problem was removing the cooler from CPU. I had to stress the CPU for the paste to be easier to remove
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GC_PaNzerFIN
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.Sup wrote:

The problem was removing the cooler from CPU. I had to stress the CPU for the paste to be easier to remove
hot air blower does wonders tbh. every pc guy should have one.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-11-28 07:48:18)

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jaymz9350 wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Don't use ceramique, that's adhesive. Buy some AS5 or AS MX-2.
incorrect ceramique isn't adhesive.  It's not quite as good a performer as as5 but is also completely non conductive or capacitive.
but it can be used and often is used as an adhesive (such as sticking RAMsinks to vRAM)

make sure that layer is THIN.  all it is is something to fill in the little cracks.
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I used the thermal paste that came on my F7P. I idle at 29 load about 30's.. u have a bad mount.  you have to take it off. clean it, put new paste on, remount.
FFLink
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I think there must be the odd crappy F7P's and we got some.

I have had this, stupidly high temps on my E4400 passing the 70s. I have re-seated it three times, the last two with some AS5 and it makes no difference. Well, maybe a degree or two.
CrazeD
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haffeysucks wrote:

jaymz9350 wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Don't use ceramique, that's adhesive. Buy some AS5 or AS MX-2.
incorrect ceramique isn't adhesive.  It's not quite as good a performer as as5 but is also completely non conductive or capacitive.
but it can be used and often is used as an adhesive (such as sticking RAMsinks to vRAM)

make sure that layer is THIN.  all it is is something to fill in the little cracks.
Exactly, it's made for ram sinks and things that don't have self-sustained pressure.

MX-2 is non conductive, AS5 is formulated to reduce conductivity, but is still slightly conductive.
jaymz9350
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http://www.arcticsilver.com/ceramique.htm
http://www.arcticsilver.com/as5.htm

As seen here, AS5 is not conductive, it is slightly capacitive.

Ceramique  is designed for cpu's and is neither conductive or capacitive as it contains no metal at all.

You guys seem to have ceramique confused with the AS thermal adhesive which is for things like ramsinks and other items that need adhesion.

Last edited by jaymz9350 (2008-11-28 12:27:29)

SpIk3y
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I cleaned the CPU and heatsink with isopropyl alcohol and then used my Arctic Silver Ceramique (which is not adhesive) and things have not really changed.  Right now it's idling at 39C according to SpeedFan and 44C according to Everest.  I think that's about where it was before I remounted everything.  Haven't tried stressing it yet... I think I'll let the paste go through a couple thermal cycles before I really stress it.

Can anyone explain why my multiplier is jumping around between 6x and 9x even though I'm positive Speed Step is disabled?
alexb
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http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/

C1E, CIA2, TM2, and EIST must all be disabled.
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Did it work?
SpIk3y
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Yeah I disabled Steed Step and C1E and now the multi is staying at 9.  Realtemp is reporting an idle temperature of 34C so I'm a happy guy.
jaymz9350
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SpIk3y wrote:

Yeah I disabled Steed Step and C1E and now the multi is staying at 9.  Realtemp is reporting an idle temperature of 34C so I'm a happy guy.
if you are running stock there is really no reason to disable speedstep and c1e.  All they will do is lower the multi and vcore to use less power when idle, it won't hurt performance at all.
alexb
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Lowering the multiplier = less performance. Why?

FSBxMultiplier=CPU Speed
Low CPU Speed=Less Performance

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