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2009-01-02 09:34:52
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6053|Catherine Black

Wolfe299 wrote:

FreezerPro: That seems like a good rig to play BF2 on XD. I'll have to save up alittle though, but shouldn't be too much of a problem. But after owning a two **** dells that can't be upgraded, I want to know if I'll be able to upgrade this easily(Graphics Card, Ram, CPU, ect).

Little Baby Jesus(LBJ): I could definatly save up to around $600, but that would take a lot longer than I hoped for, could you tell me some pros and cons of the computer you posted? I couldn't tell XD.

Side-note: I don't really want to take anything out of my current computer, my brothers are still gonna play it even if I do get a new computer. =\

Thanks again!
That computer of Freezer's is very upgradable.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
2009-01-02 15:50:10
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6414|'straya

Wolfe299 wrote:

FreezerPro: That seems like a good rig to play BF2 on XD. I'll have to save up alittle though, but shouldn't be too much of a problem. But after owning a two **** dells that can't be upgraded, I want to know if I'll be able to upgrade this easily(Graphics Card, Ram, CPU, ect).

Little Baby Jesus(LBJ): I could definatly save up to around $600, but that would take a lot longer than I hoped for, could you tell me some pros and cons of the computer you posted? I couldn't tell XD.

Side-note: I don't really want to take anything out of my current computer, my brothers are still gonna play it even if I do get a new computer. =\

Thanks again!
Basically the computer i posted is alot better. it comes down to  whether u want a decent computer now that will last a while and play all games in the next 3yrs or just spend minimal money at the moment so u can play bf2.

from the sound of it u probably just want to go with the the cheaper option
2009-01-02 15:53:33
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6758|N. Ireland
Okay, DELL is an issue but I was once in the same boat as you. It wasn't great, in fact it was pretty medium at best, but if you are just looking to do a quick upgrade then buy the following (but I recommend a new PC, there are some good choices mentioned above)

- buy an extra 1GB memory (£10)
- buy an PCI nVidia FX5200 (£30)

You'll need a specific type of memory so if you are going down this route don't just go buying anything, post in here first.
2009-01-02 15:57:51
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6886|London, England
Why would he need a new rig. He already has a decent one. Just needs to get a PCI-E video card, his computer has a free PCI-E slot.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814127368

You probably won't even need to upgrade your power supply.

I think you people are actually insane, or have no idea how to work with a budget, or something like that, because I don't understand you guys some times...

And you could still probably upgrade your PSU, get a decent BF2 playable graphics card and 1GB of extra RAM for less than $100

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-01-02 15:59:34)

2009-01-02 15:59:10
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6728|cuntshitlake

Freezers', but twith this GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 814121243R

Mekstizzle wrote:

Why would he need a new rig. He already has a decent one. Just needs to get a PCI-E video card, his computer has a free PCI-E slot.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6814127368

You probably won't even need to upgrade your power supply.

I think you people are actually insane, or have no idea how to work with a budget, or something like that, because I don't understand you guys some times...

And you could still probably upgrade your PSU, get a decent BF2 playable graphics card and 1GB of extra RAM for less than $100
He only has PCI-E X1 and you can't showe a graphics card in one.

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2009-01-02 16:01:31)

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2009-01-02 17:01:53
Wolfe299
Member
+5|5861|Arizona
LBJ: I mainly want to be able to play games that I want to atm (BF2) but will be able to be upgraded to play games that I could want down the road. I don't want to blow off a ton of money on a computer that could play future games and then find out that I don't want any games. XD Also, in 3 years I'm gonna be going to collage and will probably not be able to play as much so I'm mainly concerned with the now. Thanks!

Kylef: I looked at that the card you recommended but wasn't sure what PCI meant (It's compatible with all PCI slots?), so heres a link, not sure if it's right. http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Geforce-FX5200-256MB-Graphics/dp/B000F5IE9Y/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1230944115&sr=8-1 , I'm definatly going to get some more RAM depending if I have enough money, but I'm not sure what you mean by "special memory" 0.o

I did hear that PCI Express (X1) is better than a regular PCI x1 (Both can't compare to a PCI x16 of course -.-), any thoughts on that? I'm new at this so patience with my arrogance

Last edited by Wolfe299 (2009-01-02 18:38:14)

2009-01-03 02:03:56
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6462|Winland

Wolfe299 wrote:

LBJ: I mainly want to be able to play games that I want to atm (BF2) but will be able to be upgraded to play games that I could want down the road. I don't want to blow off a ton of money on a computer that could play future games and then find out that I don't want any games. XD Also, in 3 years I'm gonna be going to collage and will probably not be able to play as much so I'm mainly concerned with the now. Thanks!

Kylef: I looked at that the card you recommended but wasn't sure what PCI meant (It's compatible with all PCI slots?), so heres a link, not sure if it's right. http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Geforce-FX520 … amp;sr=8-1 , I'm definatly going to get some more RAM depending if I have enough money, but I'm not sure what you mean by "special memory" 0.o

I did hear that PCI Express (X1) is better than a regular PCI x1 (Both can't compare to a PCI x16 of course -.-), any thoughts on that? I'm new at this so patience with my arrogance
The computer I posted is half-decent as is, and will play BF2 and most games somewhat-decent, as well as letting you stick any new parts you wish. If it gets too slow, you just buy a new graphics card and CPU (well, perhaps also PSU), and you've got a new computer.

That Dell you have is more or less un-upgradable. Sure, you can get something like an FX5200 for PCI, but it will run BF2 at a maximum of 25FPS on all low and 800x600, which isn't worth spending even a nickle on.

As for PCI-E x1, there are virtually no graphics cards at all for it, and those that there are, are no better than the integrated that is in it right now.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2009-01-03 03:14:39
kylef
Gone
+1,352|6758|N. Ireland

Wolfe299 wrote:

Kylef: I looked at that the card you recommended but wasn't sure what PCI meant (It's compatible with all PCI slots?), so heres a link, not sure if it's right. http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Geforce-FX520 … amp;sr=8-1 , I'm definatly going to get some more RAM depending if I have enough money, but I'm not sure what you mean by "special memory" 0.o
That's the one, yep. I made the mistake of purchasing the 5500 (5200 is better!) As for the memory, I'm pretty sure it'll have to be DDR2 but DELLs can be so fussy with memory. Download a program called CPU-z (it's free), look at the 'memory' tab and tell us what it says there.
2009-01-03 03:27:30
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6462|Winland

kylef wrote:

Wolfe299 wrote:

Kylef: I looked at that the card you recommended but wasn't sure what PCI meant (It's compatible with all PCI slots?), so heres a link, not sure if it's right. http://www.amazon.com/PNY-Geforce-FX520 … amp;sr=8-1 , I'm definatly going to get some more RAM depending if I have enough money, but I'm not sure what you mean by "special memory" 0.o
That's the one, yep. I made the mistake of purchasing the 5500 (5200 is better!) As for the memory, I'm pretty sure it'll have to be DDR2 but DELLs can be so fussy with memory. Download a program called CPU-z (it's free), look at the 'memory' tab and tell us what it says there.
Why exactly would the FX5200 be faster than the 5500, which is nothing but a 5200 with 20MHz higher core clock?

No matter, there is absolutely no point in getting either a 5200 or 5500 for that matter. Especially not for $130!
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2009-01-03 03:34:21
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6414|'straya
@ freezer.

The computer u posted is quite upgradeable except if he just wanted to upgrade the video card. he would need a new video card (obviously lol) a new power supply and possibly a new case depending on how big the card is... and he would have to get a new CPU because that one would bottle
neck a new card. so really if he wanted to upgrade his pretty much looking at a entirely new computer anyway.

but if that computer suits his needs then who cares lol.
2009-01-03 03:35:49
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6462|Winland

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

@ freezer.

The computer u posted is quite upgradeable except if he just wanted to upgrade the video card. he would need a new video card (obviously lol) a new power supply and possibly a new case depending on how big the card is... and he would have to get a new CPU because that one would bottle
neck a new card. so really if he wanted to upgrade his pretty much looking at a entirely new computer anyway.

but if that computer suits his needs then who cares lol.
He can shove any C2D he wants into that mobo.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2009-01-03 04:20:06
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6414|'straya

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

@ freezer.

The computer u posted is quite upgradeable except if he just wanted to upgrade the video card. he would need a new video card (obviously lol) a new power supply and possibly a new case depending on how big the card is... and he would have to get a new CPU because that one would bottle
neck a new card. so really if he wanted to upgrade his pretty much looking at a entirely new computer anyway.

but if that computer suits his needs then who cares lol.
He can shove any C2D he wants into that mobo.
which is alittle pointless if his still running a 7300 video card
2009-01-03 04:40:51
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6462|Winland

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

@ freezer.

The computer u posted is quite upgradeable except if he just wanted to upgrade the video card. he would need a new video card (obviously lol) a new power supply and possibly a new case depending on how big the card is... and he would have to get a new CPU because that one would bottle
neck a new card. so really if he wanted to upgrade his pretty much looking at a entirely new computer anyway.

but if that computer suits his needs then who cares lol.
He can shove any C2D he wants into that mobo.
which is alittle pointless if his still running a 7300 video card
Then he upgrades his video card first.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2009-01-03 04:55:12
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6619|West NY

Wolfe299 wrote:

I mainly wanna upgrade my "Graphics Card," I did some research and found out that Dell had decided that it didn't want their customers to upgrade and only put in a PCI x1 slot and a PCIe (PCI Express) x1 slot.
I also found a PCI card that can play Battlefield 2 on low graphics: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SkuSearch_v2 … ia=AA71744
EVGA 256-P1-N399-LX Geforce 6200 256mb ddr2 pci video card. However, it needs a 300Watt Power supply, which my computer cannot supply. That means I'll need a new PSU, so if you guys know any good cards out there that could run on my computer without other mods, that'd be great.
You're lucky you have a PCI-E slot on your mobo.

Last edited by Noobpatty (2009-01-03 04:55:43)

2009-01-03 05:25:44
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6728|cuntshitlake

Noobpatty wrote:

Wolfe299 wrote:

I mainly wanna upgrade my "Graphics Card," I did some research and found out that Dell had decided that it didn't want their customers to upgrade and only put in a PCI x1 slot and a PCIe (PCI Express) x1 slot.
I also found a PCI card that can play Battlefield 2 on low graphics: http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SkuSearch_v2 … ia=AA71744
EVGA 256-P1-N399-LX Geforce 6200 256mb ddr2 pci video card. However, it needs a 300Watt Power supply, which my computer cannot supply. That means I'll need a new PSU, so if you guys know any good cards out there that could run on my computer without other mods, that'd be great.
You're lucky you have a PCI-E slot on your mobo.
AGP >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PCI-E x1
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2009-01-03 07:49:52
Wolfe299
Member
+5|5861|Arizona
Kylef: I downloaded CPUz and this is what it's telling me:
Type: DDR2
Size: 1024MB
# CHannels: Dual

DRAM Frequency: 266.0MHz
FSB:DRAM: 3:4
CAS#Latency: 4.0Clocks
RAS# to CAS# Delay: 4Clocks
RAS# Precharge: 4Clocks
Cycle Time: 11Clocks

Not sure what that means >.< but there ya go.

FreezerPro (Or LBJ-Too confused atm): Ummm... I'm not sure what you guys are talking about XD, so basically the comp you posted would be good enough for me? And possibly into the future with upgrades? 0.o A little off topic: what's a C2D?

Thanks, you guys have been a really big help! XD IOU
2009-01-03 14:52:00
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

The PC freezer posted will be easy to upgrade. For now the GPU will be the weak point. If you were to decide to go crazy on a 1000$ GPU, the CPU would bottleneck and you'd need something faster. If you only go for something mid end the CPU will be OK. Plus you can get a nice OC out of it

As for your current PC. It's too shit to be worth spending any money on it. You could get some PCI video card, but it would be slow, painful and a huge waste of money
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2009-01-03 15:07:50
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6414|'straya

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


He can shove any C2D he wants into that mobo.
which is alittle pointless if his still running a 7300 video card
Then he upgrades his video card first.
Yes i know. jeesh all i was saying is that to upgrade his video card he would have to upgrade power supply mabye case (not sure how big it is etc) and possibly CPU to avoid bottle neck. and thats practically a new computer anyway. thats all im saying. im not saying its not upgradeable but really to upgrade it he would kinda need to upgrade most of the computer
2009-01-03 15:11:45
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6462|Winland

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:


which is alittle pointless if his still running a 7300 video card
Then he upgrades his video card first.
Yes i know. jeesh all i was saying is that to upgrade his video card he would have to upgrade power supply mabye case (not sure how big it is etc) and possibly CPU to avoid bottle neck. and thats practically a new computer anyway. thats all im saying. im not saying its not upgradeable but really to upgrade it he would kinda need to upgrade most of the computer
First you talked like the CPU was un-upgradable. Then you talked like the GPU was. Make up your mind.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
2009-01-03 15:12:55
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

That PSU should be fine for any single GPU PC tbh
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2009-01-03 15:13:53
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6414|'straya

Freezer7Pro wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Then he upgrades his video card first.
Yes i know. jeesh all i was saying is that to upgrade his video card he would have to upgrade power supply mabye case (not sure how big it is etc) and possibly CPU to avoid bottle neck. and thats practically a new computer anyway. thats all im saying. im not saying its not upgradeable but really to upgrade it he would kinda need to upgrade most of the computer
First you talked like the CPU was un-upgradable. Then you talked like the GPU was. Make up your mind.
... i never said the CPU wasnt upgradeable....
2009-01-03 15:15:45
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

oh ffs

once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2009-01-03 15:52:24
Wolfe299
Member
+5|5861|Arizona
Alright, it sounds like that Freezer's PC should be good enough for me for awhile. I think. And I could always come back here and get help if I decide to upgrade =P. (3Years down the line XD)

Sounds like that the PSU is the source of the argument or something, so how much would a 600W+ PSU cost that would go with it? It seems like making this upgrade now would save me alot more trouble down the line. I think... XD
2009-01-03 15:57:32
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

That PSU will be fine unless you go crazy on the GPUs

~100$ for a big PSU. Really not necessary IMO

Last edited by max (2009-01-03 15:58:00)

once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
2009-01-03 19:20:25
Wolfe299
Member
+5|5861|Arizona
Kk, that's good. XD

 

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