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MECtallica
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+73|6769|jalalabad
Alright I haven't upgraded in 2 years (yes you heard me lol )

I did just get a new PSU (corsair FTW) and a new graphics card (9800GT ftw, <never had an Nvidia, a fresh step from ATi, inb4 driver problems)

anyways, it's my B-day soon (month, so I can wait for price drops) and I plan on building a new computer (I mean leeching off my loved ones for new computer parts because i'm a bum) and I need recommendations. (my budget is around $500-$700, my current draft build amounted to under $600 easily, since I don't need a new graphics card or PSU, SLi may be an option but I already have 1 card, so if I survey it, I can probably do it if I have some wiggle room in the budget)


I had a build going but i'm not 100% sure, really I want intel C2D for sure (maybe quad if you really convince me , but meh), somewhere along the lines of an e8400/8500 (they seem to have good reviews for gaming right?)



>>mobo >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359
maybe? some people said those mosfet thingies got in the way of the sunbeam core contact/xigmatek stuff, I don't want to mod anything physically that voids the warranty yet, shhh OC'ing doesn't void it psssh

>>CPU >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115037 is the e8500 worth it or what? is the 8000 series crap for gaming like some of the other C2Ds were? I don't know the purpose for wolfdales, if they were 3D/etc or whatnot



and I need a quality motherboard (a real name brand, as much as this foxconn has lasted me without hiccups, it's OC options are crap, it used a thirdparty manufacturer, RE winfast who are they, and it is mATX, limited features, and it's a 939 with DDR 400)

For motherboards I was looking for maybe Asus, gigabyte looked tempting, but i'm reading conflicts about the "mosfets" being too big and messing with certain heatsinks (I don't have any money to dick around with things like little copper heatsinks on northbridges and souths) so yeah. Asus, gigabyte, maybe XFX, the big name manufacturers that make sub $150 boards that have good reviews, MSI maybe) I'm kinda aiming at DDR2 800-1066, with some OC options (so I can get more money out of the e8400/500 whichever is the better one, but if there's a better dual core for the same price, please tell )[/color]

I'm not aiming for a huge overclock, just enough maybe to give me a noticeable performance boost, i'm not 100% in-the-know with these new LGA 775 45nm processors that use lower voltage ratings and stuff. I have had this 939 amd64 athlon 4000+ OC'd at 2.6Ghz since forever (my first real system upgrade, i'm still a 'kid' per se, thus I can easily justify not upgrading to a new comp every 2 months like some people do)



sunbeam core contact, looks like a gem, need some feedback >>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004

antec 300>>http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129042


For OC'ing, i'll be on air, I can't run water, numerous reasons, but anyways, I'm aiming for an antec 300 (I have no case experience and this looks like a good one for the price) and I'll probably add a 120 intake, so I need a recommendation for that x2 since theres 2 intakes. I JUST saw some posts about good HSF for 775s and I saw some recommendations for "Sunbeam Core Contact" and The "Xigmatek s1283" and I see posts here, nameably max with his uber builds with CPU HSF stuff that looks like those two (they look too similar to distinguish from angles)
So any better recommendations for the parts, if there's proven better parts etc


for memory i'm drawing a complete blank, I need a possible OC'able memory, I'm a safe overclocker I might say, I don't want to fry parts, so I'm not going to want to buy the "omg ubar I can overclock this 100% ram" since that stuff usually costs like $150+ and in my experience RAM went down so much it's not worth investing in it like people used to (I remember a few years ago 512mb PC 3200 was like $50 a stick) So I need quality but not expensive RAM recommendations, I saw OCZ, maybe corsair, G.Skill (I have these budget ones, they never failed me, but then again theres only so much headroom) etc

and I already have a nice SATA 3gb/s HDD picked out (I have been managing with this 111gb HDD IDE ata 100 IIRC since this thing was first bought, don't ask it's a long story) HDD>> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6822148262 looks nice, but yeah


I use colors to add depth and interesting elements


PS.no srs, these are gifts i'm recieving (lol you know what gifts you're going to get?) and I want this thing to last, it's not my money remailing these things if they break because they just may be cheap parts in disguise.

also I'm not big on optical drives, and my PSU is brand new stable at 650W, which should be fine since they reduced die sizes and my perception of power consumption is skewed, and this will technically be a mid-end system as soon as the new GTX series is released lawl (corsair 650TX, it has very nice amps on all rails),

and while not a requirement, I always buy parts off newegg, nothing bad has happened from any of the parts I recieved there, their customer support seems like it may exist, and they have outlined policies+ they 'used' to be cheaper than other places (plus their shipping is nice and cheap+nice, UPS reigns supreme where i'm at)

Last edited by MECtallica (2009-01-05 17:29:50)

max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

Seeing as you already have a PSU and a GPU and chose a great budget case, there isn't really much to add

IMO the price difference between a E8400 and a E8500 isn't justified unless you're doing some extreme OCing. You can step down to an E5200 but hitting high clocks is always a gamble. Some hit 4GHz, some between 4 and 3.6GHz and very few don't really OC at all. If you're not doing a lot of number crunching (encoding, rendering, folding, compiling, ...) or use multiple GPUs a dual core will be fine.

I think the best option would be a

E8400 E0 stepping
P5Q or P5Q pro motherboard depending on if you want the possibility of going crossfire later
2x2GB DDR2-1066 - just go for some branded stuff, look for at least CAS latency 5
for cooling a Freezer7Pro will be good for medium OCs, a Xigmatek s1283 will be pretty ideal for any 24/7 speed you may want to use
for HDDs, I'd recommend a WD or Samsung drive. Seagates are fine too. Mainly a preference thing

Last edited by max (2009-01-05 17:31:34)

once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6679|Finland

inb4max

Asus P5Q pro
E8500
Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme + 12cm fan
cheapest 4gb ddr2 1066mhz kit

edit: o shit max.... :>

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-01-05 17:32:54)

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GR34
Member
+215|6810|ALBERTA> CANADA
sorry man It was to much for me to read but I put something together for you. Its the same board I am getting

https://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k288/josheyG34/pooter4bf2s.jpg
CrazeD
Member
+368|6938|Maine
What's with all the funky colors. o.O

First off, Foxconn is a real name brand. They make some of the Asus boards and such. Also the new Bloodrage is a very good board.

The Wolfdales are good for gaming, yes. They are also very good overclockers. There's no real point in getting the E8500 if you plan to OC, because the only difference is the stock multiplier/frequency.

The Sunbeam Core Contact is one of, if not the best air cooler on the market.

I have an Antec 300, it's very good for the price. It lowered my video card temps about 20*C (I had a shitty 20$ case previous to it, and it had very bad airflow). It's steel so it's very solid construction, and has good wire management. Also has built in removable fan filters for the front 120's. You might want 3x 120mm's, since the side doesn't come with one either (just comes with 1x rear 120mm, and 1x top 140mm). I personally am running 4x Rosewill Blue LED 120mm's. They were like $4 and have good CFM, and noise doesn't bother me.

As for the mobo, if you're going with a Wolfdale, check out the P45 lineup (Gigabyte UD3, Asus P5Q, Biostar TForce are some good ones). They OC very well and are cheap.

For good overclockable RAM, check out G.Skill and OCZ Reapers.

Check out this HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6822148288

Only a small amount more money, but twice the space and it's faster.

Your PSU will be more than adequate, no worries there.
MECtallica
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+73|6769|jalalabad
interesting GR34, just weird because when I put together this build it was around $570, odd, but yeah i'll check out the P5Q since I see the name everywhere, and asus has been making nice boards it seems forever.

and yeah, if the 900 is nicer than the 300, which it should be, might just check that out GR34, damn computer part price drops, I hope these things are still on newegg by early/mid feb lol
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

Don't get the 900. It's terribly overrated. The cable management is terrible. It doesn't perform any better than a normal well designed case. It's too loud. All you really need is a 120mm rear exhaust and a PSU.
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
GC_PaNzerFIN
Work and study @ Technical Uni
+528|6679|Finland

max wrote:

Don't get the 900. It's terribly overrated. The cable management is terrible. It doesn't perform any better than a normal well designed case. It's too loud. All you really need is a 120mm rear exhaust and a PSU.
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GR34
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+215|6810|ALBERTA> CANADA

max wrote:

Don't get the 900. It's terribly overrated. The cable management is terrible. It doesn't perform any better than a normal well designed case. It's too loud. All you really need is a 120mm rear exhaust and a PSU.
lol yeah My friend has it his sounds like a jet plane taking off but when I made it I could not remember the name the case that I want to get.



Found it

RAIDMAX SMILODON

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.as … 6811156062

Last edited by GR34 (2009-01-05 17:46:22)

MECtallica
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+73|6769|jalalabad
okay so a 300 is better than a 900 for my build ?, my current computer sounds like a jet engine idle (the 80mm runs at like 3000RPM unadjustable making probably like 40dba or something, same with the supposed 'silent amd K8 cooler' I bought from thermaltake a while back, didn't but it for silence, just effiency, my core has never overheated, while it does kinda reach borderline hot though)


**EDIT LOL, my friend who built his computer too bought the smilodon thing, I think his is actually more quiet than my current case ( a stock emachines mATX case, didn't come with any exhaust fan lol, and the stock 478 cooler , which this computer WAS when I bought it, like 5 years ago ran at 5000 something RPM, extremely loud, I guess the standard changed )


But with noise, i'm probably going to ask/get some extra silent fans to help with airflow? any good brand recommendations? possibly variable so I can tinker a little, see what speeds are fine for the heat generated..

Last edited by MECtallica (2009-01-05 17:50:51)

max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6832|NYC / Hamburg

If you're worried about noise you can pick up some Scythe Slipstream 1200RPM or Nexus fans. They'll move enough air while being silent.

<3 antec 300 for budget builds. Unless you have multiple GPUs, loads of HDDs or some exotic needs it's a perfect fit

Last edited by max (2009-01-05 17:50:15)

once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
TopHat01
Limitless
+117|6170|CA
I'm surprised the P182 hasn't been suggested, so I'm suggesting it.  Plus, it's ~$100 on newegg, great deal for a rock solid case. 

See my sig...basically I bought the BF2s standard, and have a 9800GT as well.  F7P is a great cooler, I've yet to begin my overclocking, but I plan to soon.  The P5Q PRO is a great board, the manual is very clear as to what to do when building. (I'm a newb, stfu )
Brasso
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+1,549|6895

GR34 wrote:

lol yeah My friend has it his sounds like a jet plane taking off
must have had his fans on high, which make nearly no difference compared to low.  i'm at low and it's whisper quiet.  i agree that the cable management kinda sucks though.

TopHat01 wrote:

I'm surprised the P182 hasn't been suggested, so I'm suggesting it.  Plus, it's ~$100 on newegg, great deal for a rock solid case.
about that...it's $170.

Last edited by haffeysucks (2009-01-05 18:27:22)

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MECtallica
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+73|6769|jalalabad
okay good recs thanks guys

a few more questions, I'm still not sold on which brand of memory I should buy, they all have the basic 5-5-5-15 (OCZreaper,corsair dominator/XMS2, hyperX) which will have the best OC capabilities?

which should I aim for or is just personal preference from there? I'm using XP so should I use 4gb just to top out or get 2gb like I use right now (pc 3200 400mhz dual channel ftw)? (probably will upgrade to windows 7 if it's any better than XP or vista in the future, game developers just never pushed towards DX10, so I'm not gonna bother buying vista anytime soon)

also I checked out the P5Q PRO, $130 nice, I'll get it :p


*** doh, while the option of crossfire* sounds nice in the future, not sure it'll happen, newegg shows like 10 different versions of the P5Q http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi … rder=PRICE  , should I just get the pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6813131299

now onto fan controller, am I going to need to buy a case fan controller since the reviews say on newegg that the P5Q pro just has 3 fan headers on the mobo, and the antec 300 has like 3 fans basic, and 2 optional intake 120s (which i'm going to fill with quality fans if I can) or does the antec 300s fans hook up to molex connectors and not the motherboard?


** another edit to keep this topic less full of spam by me, so should the sunbeam core contact be better than the freezer 7 pro? and i've been reading AS5 doesn't do the trick anymore (internet isn't always reliable), should I get .. what? use the stuff that supposedly comes with the sunbeam core contact (tuniq stuff, never heard of it)

just trying to be a perfectionist when it comes this build since funds are a little less limited and it seems I can finally make a real build

Last edited by MECtallica (2009-01-05 18:44:56)

unnamednewbie13
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MECtallica wrote:

Alright I haven't upgraded in 2 years (yes you heard me lol )
That's actually not a big deal. There are some people knocking around here who haven't upgraded in ~ three-eight years. Me, my only upgrade on this 2004 beast was doubling my RAM from 2x512MB to 4x512MB, dropping in a second 74GB Raptor for quick map loading/photoshopping win and adding a 1TB hard drive in addition to the 250GB storage.

Almost all budget builds you'll find on this thread involve some combination of P45, C2D and 2-4GB DDR2-800, and are posted all over the place in similar threads as recent as, oh, one week ago (in think).

Edit:

max wrote:

Don't get the 900. It's terribly overrated. The cable management is terrible. It doesn't perform any better than a normal well designed case. It's too loud. All you really need is a 120mm rear exhaust and a PSU.
Plus, with a bit of forethought and access to a small set of power tools, you can convert almost any old $20-$40 chassis into a fan-peppered air mover.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-01-05 18:36:46)

Brasso
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+1,549|6895

I would go with Corsair Dominator since I have it, but OCZ Reaper is good too.  get 4GB.  why do you need fan controllers?  just set the case fans to low and forget about them.
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
MECtallica
Member
+73|6769|jalalabad
okay I think this may be the final


antec 300 (looks like the best case for the price)
corsair dominator 4gb (2x2) DDR2 1066
P5Q pro P45
E8400 wolfdale @ 3.00 Ghz(can anyone post a link to the E0 stepping if newegg sells em?, I can't identify stepping by product ID if thats possible)
Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer, seems like a good balance of sound and heat (don't want too much sound, while not aiming for a completely silent PC, it'll just be a nice change)

and for fans, I still have some questions, I really don't care if it has LEDS or anything, I'm trying to be all business with this build, haffey are those slip streams more than enough for my case? because I can buy 2 of em for like $2 less than what 1 'nicer' quality 120mm that pushes 100~ CFM out, and have 2x of those things be more quiet than one of the higher CFM flow fans.

Last edited by MECtallica (2009-01-05 19:34:27)

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