CrazeD
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

CC-Marley wrote:

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

I would agree that they BIOS flash may have hosed the card.  However, it doesn't help that you are playing with such a low resolution.  A card of that power isn't really going to start flexing it muscle until at least 1600x1200...with a few noted game exceptions.
I have a 4850 in a old Dell XPS3 with a P4 3.6 HT. Would making the res 1280x1024 or even 1600x1200 from 1024x768 help it play PR better? Probably the processor holding the card back anyway.
Upping res doesn't take load off the CPU, it merely changes the CPU load:GPU load ratio; CPU load increases too when upping the res.
Upping the resolution makes the GPU rely less on the CPU. This is why CPU benchmarks often run games at 800x600, or 1024x768... as higher resolutions don't really need as much CPU.
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I'm pretty sure higher resolutions will stress the CPU the same amount as a lower resolution or (most probably) more.
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CrazeD
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Maybe so, but regardless, the GPU works more efficiently at higher resolutions.
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CrazeD wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

CC-Marley wrote:


I have a 4850 in a old Dell XPS3 with a P4 3.6 HT. Would making the res 1280x1024 or even 1600x1200 from 1024x768 help it play PR better? Probably the processor holding the card back anyway.
Upping res doesn't take load off the CPU, it merely changes the CPU load:GPU load ratio; CPU load increases too when upping the res.
Upping the resolution makes the GPU rely less on the CPU. This is why CPU benchmarks often run games at 800x600, or 1024x768... as higher resolutions don't really need as much CPU.
CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example) run so low, because it is all rendered on the CPU, and rendering a bigger res would take too long.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
CrazeD
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Freezer7Pro wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Upping res doesn't take load off the CPU, it merely changes the CPU load:GPU load ratio; CPU load increases too when upping the res.
Upping the resolution makes the GPU rely less on the CPU. This is why CPU benchmarks often run games at 800x600, or 1024x768... as higher resolutions don't really need as much CPU.
CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example) run so low, because it is all rendered on the CPU, and rendering a bigger res would take too long.
I said games.

Most CPU review articles run games on really low resolution, as running them on high resolution gives almost identical performance across most CPU's.
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Last edited by ATG (2009-03-27 18:14:23)

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Richard2000 wrote:

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Freezer7Pro wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


Upping res doesn't take load off the CPU, it merely changes the CPU load:GPU load ratio; CPU load increases too when upping the res.
Upping the resolution makes the GPU rely less on the CPU. This is why CPU benchmarks often run games at 800x600, or 1024x768... as higher resolutions don't really need as much CPU.
CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example) run so low, because it is all rendered on the CPU, and rendering a bigger res would take too long.
3DMark is not "all rendered on the CPU".
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

CrazeD wrote:

Upping the resolution makes the GPU rely less on the CPU. This is why CPU benchmarks often run games at 800x600, or 1024x768... as higher resolutions don't really need as much CPU.
CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example) run so low, because it is all rendered on the CPU, and rendering a bigger res would take too long.
3DMark is not "all rendered on the CPU".
tbh he said "CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example)"

that excludes GPU benchmarks

edit: but its heavily CPU limited when ran on the default low resolution

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-03-27 17:49:27)

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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:


CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example) run so low, because it is all rendered on the CPU, and rendering a bigger res would take too long.
3DMark is not "all rendered on the CPU".
tbh he said "CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example)"

that excludes GPU benchmarks

edit: but its heavily CPU limited when ran on the default low resolution
Ok. 3DMark is not a "CPU benchmark".
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it is if u run only cpu benchies
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

it is if u run only cpu benchies
yeah, or if you put a non-DX video card in, or you're a numpty.
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Scorpion0x17 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:


3DMark is not "all rendered on the CPU".
tbh he said "CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example)"

that excludes GPU benchmarks

edit: but its heavily CPU limited when ran on the default low resolution
Ok. 3DMark is not a "CPU benchmark".
Tbh, it's not a real good GPU benchmark either. You get more of a performance increase with a better CPU than you do a GPU.

For example, a Ci7 with a 8800GTX is probably > GTX280 with a C2D.
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CrazeD wrote:

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:


tbh he said "CPU benchmarks (3Dmark for example)"

that excludes GPU benchmarks

edit: but its heavily CPU limited when ran on the default low resolution
Ok. 3DMark is not a "CPU benchmark".
Tbh, it's not a real good GPU benchmark either. You get more of a performance increase with a better CPU than you do a GPU.

For example, a Ci7 with a 8800GTX is probably > GTX280 with a C2D.
I personally think it's a very good benchmark, and the above demonstrates why - there is so much more to how well a systems performs than merely how many op's per second either the CPU or GPU can produce.

AFAICT, without seeing the code, the 3DMark benchmarks test every component in a system.

What it's not good for is working out which components are the weak-links in the chain - but then that's what you have component-specific benchmarking tools for.
CrazeD
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Yeah but it's labeled as a graphics benchmark, when the majority of the score is your CPU. It's not a good GPU benchmark at all.

IMO, games are the only good graphics benchmarks...as CPU has much less effect.
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Ok, i ran ati tool for a bit and it found nothing. Also did furmark for 10 minutes, also nothing. any other good gpu testers??

also, if the bios flash is a problem, how do i flash the card back to its stock bios???

i believe this is the stock bios


http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2061 … 523_1.html
CrazeD
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rammunition wrote:

Ok, i ran ati tool for a bit and it found nothing. Also did furmark for 10 minutes, also nothing. any other good gpu testers??

also, if the bios flash is a problem, how do i flash the card back to its stock bios???

i believe this is the stock bios


http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2061 … 523_1.html
http://www.driverheaven.net/ati-graphic … r-way.html
rammunition
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CrazeD wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Ok, i ran ati tool for a bit and it found nothing. Also did furmark for 10 minutes, also nothing. any other good gpu testers??

also, if the bios flash is a problem, how do i flash the card back to its stock bios???

i believe this is the stock bios


http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/2061 … 523_1.html
http://www.driverheaven.net/ati-graphic … r-way.html
woah!! 2005? the bloke is still on about AGP, guide still ok???
CrazeD
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There are probably newer utilities that don't require you boot off them, but yes that will (should) work fine.

However fucking with the VBIOS will void your warranty and might brick the card, so I'd advise against it tbh.

EDIT: And by the way, what were your 3DMark06 scores?

Last edited by CrazeD (2009-03-28 14:39:57)

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if his card is gainward and it has asus BIOS already, I would say the warranty has said baibai looong time ago
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GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

if his card is gainward and it has asus BIOS already, I would say the warranty has said baibai looong time ago
Touche.
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CrazeD: I meant the 3DMark CPU benchmarks exclusively.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
rammunition
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here are my 3d mark 06 scores

https://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm101/Rammunition1/3dmark-1.jpg


do my card specs seem ok?? its not another card flashed to a 4850, is it???

https://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm101/Rammunition1/gpu.jpg


do does specs seem ok???

also it has the vendor i.d, device i.d etc. how do i check them??

Last edited by rammunition (2009-03-28 16:39:23)

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rammunition wrote:

here are my 3d mark 06 scores

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm10 … mark-1.jpg


do my card specs seem ok?? its not another card flashed to a 4850, is it???

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm10 … n1/gpu.jpg


do does specs seem ok???

also it has the vendor i.d, device i.d etc. how do i check them??
10k is pretty low. my friend with a stock Q6600 and 8800GT gets around that score.

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