I'm sure this has already been said earlier in this thread, but atheism and agnosticism are not religions.
Poll
What religion do you follow?
| Christianity | 32% | 32% - 37 | ||||
| Islam | 5% | 5% - 6 | ||||
| Judaism | 2% | 2% - 3 | ||||
| Hinduism | 0% | 0% - 0 | ||||
| Buddhism | 0% | 0% - 0 | ||||
| Sikhism | 1% | 1% - 2 | ||||
| Shinto | 0% | 0% - 0 | ||||
| Atheism | 25% | 25% - 29 | ||||
| Agnosticism | 25% | 25% - 29 | ||||
| Other | 7% | 7% - 9 | ||||
| Total: 115 | ||||||
Yeah, I had that in the back of my mind when posting but I was like nvm.Lucien wrote:
I'm sure this has already been said earlier in this thread, but atheism and agnosticism are not religions.
Yes they are, actually. They're just not as organizied/unified as the other options.Lucien wrote:
I'm sure this has already been said earlier in this thread, but atheism and agnosticism are not religions.
Atheism
You'd best be trollingDesertFox- wrote:
Yes they are, actually. They're just not as organizied/unified as the other options.Lucien wrote:
I'm sure this has already been said earlier in this thread, but atheism and agnosticism are not religions.
No seriously you had better be trolling otherwise you are incredibly fucking stupid
Christianity
Roman Catholic (Christianity)
All of them.
Heh, we sort of have that in common. I don't consider myself a true Christian as I am not exactly fully committed to the religion, I hardly pray much and I don't go to church as my parents aren't sure which one to go to around here. I do accept Christ as savior though.androoz wrote:
I think I may become a Christian but I have no idea where to start or what I'm even supposed to do.
The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.
King_County_Downy wrote:
None. I hate them all equally.
Cogito ergo sum - René DescartesIoan92 wrote:
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Albert Einstein
I can keep going on forever.
I can post quotes which on face value seem smart enough but actually carry no relevance to the conversation in hand at all too.
mods are gay - Dauntlessmkxiii wrote:
Cogito ergo sum - René DescartesIoan92 wrote:
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Albert Einstein
I can keep going on forever.
I can post quotes which on face value seem smart enough but actually carry no relevance to the conversation in hand at all too.
needs moar mooslim.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
please don't make miggle send it to me, he has aids - haffeysucksMiggle wrote:
mods are gay - Dauntlessmkxiii wrote:
Cogito ergo sum - René DescartesIoan92 wrote:
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Albert Einstein
I can keep going on forever.
I can post quotes which on face value seem smart enough but actually carry no relevance to the conversation in hand at all too.
but back on topic
i don't believe that one man is going to save us. i don't believe in any of the general beliefs that most religions hold, but i do believe in some kind of fate. not so much, destiny and the glorious representation of fate, but more that everyone has their behaviours and will act in a certain situation in a certain way that could not necessarily be predicted by anyone, but in their moral fibre and make up, will always be the way they act. even spontoneity is not spontaneous as it can be caused by such things as people wanting to change as they realise they have become predictable, and thus making it predictable for them to be spontaneous. essentially im talking about a mixture of human nature and behaviour meaning that if someone or something knew us on a higher level than we truely know ourselves, they could map our lives out before we even live them, with what we will do when we meet certain people, when we will do something crazy, or ingenius, what we will do in every eventuality, so much so that living our life is just a pre conceived list of events that none of us can really change as absolutely everything is not so much set in stone, or meant to be, as just happens. not necessarily it is useful in the long term, or even in the short term, but every action of every person is just as logical as a simple equation no matter how complex and emotionally involved it seems.
and you may think back in your life and say, well, what if i had gone here on holiday instead of here? or changed something as simple as looking at a dictionary when you forget a word mid sentence? or hadnt looked in the same dictionary and instead used the second one that came to mind? as no matter how small, if you had the rest of your life would have slightly changed, as maybe a couple of sentences in the rest of that conversation making it take 1 minute longer, turns into bumping into someone you hadnt seen for years and rekindling a friendship, which in turn makes you late for work and you get fired, only to become incredibly successful in your new chosen occupation.
and you may think this, think "i could have quite easily done this slightly differently". but you didnt, because it is in your nature to do it exactly as you decided the first time.
And if you read even a third of that boring ass piece of text you deserve a medal
Believer in God.
I am all of them, and I am all there is.
Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.Dauntless wrote:
Can I ask the Christians in here a few questions? It's not even to be a douche or something, I'm genuinely interested in what their responses are to these...
If god was all powerful (omnipotent) why did it take him 6 whole days to make earth and then have a whole days rest? Also how can you measure time in days before the planet is made?
If he was all knowing why did he fuck up the first time and start again with Noah?
It's just something I've always thought was stupid....
also, what about the dinosaurs?
This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .
Also dinosaurs did go on the Arc, they must just not have been able to adjust to the new world again, because it was different(Changed continents, oceans, different atmosphere).
Truth=/= Facts, facts are sometimes wrong, the Truth is never wrong.Ioan92 wrote:
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.bakinacake wrote:
lie =/= truth
John 14:6 (New Living Translation)
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
Albert Einstein
I can keep going on forever.
I think that it does, seeing as this is the main-point of Christianity. This is where the Christian ideas are formed, so it's basically a how-to guide by the creator of the religion. I wasn't debating the existence of a deity, I was simply discussing the worldview of Christianity. The book states that there is a deity, yes, so if you are looking from this mindset, it is basically telling you that there is.Bevo wrote:
surely you're not quoting what a book says to be true as evidence of the existence of some deitybakinacake wrote:
lie =/= truth
John 14:6 (New Living Translation)
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
lol'd Poseidon
look for the whole religion, god, atheism, whatever thing I don't give a flying fuck what you believe or don't believe. but if you think that quoting the bible means anything in an argument about the existence of a deity you're simply deluded.
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Step 1: Make big bookbakinacake wrote:
Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.
This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .
Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion
Step 3. Use faulty logic and lofty claims to prove correctness of religion
Step 4. Control population
???
Domination!
Ed@ bakina:
If I made a book, sent it back 2000 years that said fat green men were sitting on top of your head all day and you couldnt see or feel them but only sense their presence. And if you didn't please them you got baked in a giant oven when you died...
would you believe it? You can't disprove it.
Last edited by Bevo (2010-01-22 18:35:17)
First mistake, Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion. If you had read the book, you would know that God is not about using fear tactics, but using love. According to this book, all these 'fear tactics' will come true, it is a warning. Would me telling you that you're going to get into a car accident tomorrow be fear tactics, if i knew it was going to happen. No. It would be a warning so that you wouldn't drive tomorrow, because I don't want you to die.Bevo wrote:
Step 1: Make big bookbakinacake wrote:
Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.
This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .
Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion
Step 3. Use faulty logic and lofty claims to prove correctness of religion
Step 4. Control population
???
Domination!
I don't believe in time travel.Bevo wrote:
Step 1: Make big bookbakinacake wrote:
Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.
This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .
Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion
Step 3. Use faulty logic and lofty claims to prove correctness of religion
Step 4. Control population
???
Domination!
Ed@ bakina:
If I made a book, sent it back 2000 years that said fat green men were sitting on top of your head all day and you couldnt see or feel them but only sense their presence. And if you didn't please them you got baked in a giant oven when you died...
would you believe it? You can't disprove it.
bottom line is Scientology > all
intent has nothing to do with it, people don't care about intent. stick or carrot, who caresbakinacake wrote:
First mistake, Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion. If you had read the book, you would know that God is not about using fear tactics, but using love. According to this book, all these 'fear tactics' will come true, it is a warning. Would me telling you that you're going to get into a car accident tomorrow be fear tactics, if i knew it was going to happen. No. It would be a warning so that you wouldn't drive tomorrow, because I don't want you to die.
"believe in this or else eternal damnation" is a fear tactic in my book.
The book was started to be written nearly 4000 years ago.Miggle wrote:
I don't believe in time travel.Bevo wrote:
Step 1: Make big bookbakinacake wrote:
Well according to a Christian belief, there's all different reasons that God did that. It was probably done to signify that the Hebrews should work 6 days, and then take a seventh as a break, to relax, spend time with friends, rest. I'm sure a lot of the time he was perfecting things, making it how he envisioned. Now saying this God would of had to invent time as a dimension to place the newly created universe into. Genesis 1:1 says, In the beginning(of time) God created the Heaven and the Earth, heaven being stars, moons, galaxies, and I'd assume time. Earth being everything on earth, gravity, atmosphere, such such. But it also says it was dark and void, so nothing on it yet. Continuing on, God didn't fuck up, it was humans, according to the story the world groaned at the weight of sin, so God needed to fix it. So i guess he sent the flood.
This is purely my understanding, if you see holes in it sure, ill investigate more .
Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion
Step 3. Use faulty logic and lofty claims to prove correctness of religion
Step 4. Control population
???
Domination!
Ed@ bakina:
If I made a book, sent it back 2000 years that said fat green men were sitting on top of your head all day and you couldnt see or feel them but only sense their presence. And if you didn't please them you got baked in a giant oven when you died...
would you believe it? You can't disprove it.
What if God had a 3d view of time, and not a half dimensional view like us. He would be able to see what was going to happen, what happened in the past, and could obviously control it, could He not?
Well, say if it was true, would it be a fear tactic? If you 110% knew it was going to happen, would it be a fear tactic? Would it not be a warning? According to this it's facts, black and white, that is what WILL happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?Bevo wrote:
intent has nothing to do with it, people don't care about intent. stick or carrot, who caresbakinacake wrote:
First mistake, Step 2. Use fear tactics to get people to join religion. If you had read the book, you would know that God is not about using fear tactics, but using love. According to this book, all these 'fear tactics' will come true, it is a warning. Would me telling you that you're going to get into a car accident tomorrow be fear tactics, if i knew it was going to happen. No. It would be a warning so that you wouldn't drive tomorrow, because I don't want you to die.
"believe in this or else eternal damnation" is a fear tactic in my book.
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That's illogical ma'am.bakinacake wrote:
Well, say if it was true, would it be a fear tactic? If you 110% knew it was going to happen, would it be a fear tactic? Would it not be a warning? According to this it's facts, black and white, that is what WILL happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?
Let's say I believe a giant blue asteroid was going to crush the shit out of your house, and I "knew this to be true". And I told you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? According to my diety this is facts, it will happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?
Not what you believe to be true, but what is true. If it was true then I would. If you believed it to be true, then no. In this situation it is not about what I believed to be true, but I was asking if it was true.Bevo wrote:
That's illogical ma'am.bakinacake wrote:
Well, say if it was true, would it be a fear tactic? If you 110% knew it was going to happen, would it be a fear tactic? Would it not be a warning? According to this it's facts, black and white, that is what WILL happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?
Let's say I believe a giant blue asteroid was going to crush the shit out of your house, and I "knew this to be true". And I told you if you don't pay me $10,000, my diety will let this asteroid crush your house. Would that not be a warning? According to my diety this is facts, it will happen. Wouldn't that change your mindset, if it was going to happen?