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2010-07-02 09:29:33
Uzique
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eleven bravo wrote:

Uzique wrote:

mek get a history lesson, dude. the whole 'classical' ideal has been copied from ancient rome, and then later from classic greece and has been seen as the 'standard' of beauty right through the classical-era up until the advent of modernism-- at which point europe was still the leading taste-maker in terms of architecture, fine art and whatnot anyway. the point isn't who 'invented' the standard of taste, the point is the pervasive influence that they do command (for whatever reason)- america copied europe's approach and reinvented and reused many european architectural and art movements, e.g. the american gothic that is present in lots of manhattan's skyscrapers. america had a different take on 'modernism' during their own era of city-building but it took a lot from the european principles... big names like le corbusier.

basically stop with your cynical bullshit in every thread and just face that the founding principles of america's culture and architecture was based in european classicism. of course it was 'their take' but the whole 'city on a hill' thing and the layout of major cities like washington d.c. is just a neo-classical project. america is not a 'foreign culture' so you really don't have a point... we're all in the same boat and all conforming to the same standards of beauty and accomplishment.
pretty much right, except wasnt classical greece before ancient rome.
we didn't have the archaelogical or historical knowledge about ancient greece right up until about the mid-18th century. therefore we looked to rome, because its ruins, histories and architecture were present all through the UK and europe. adventurers, academics, historians and antiquarians didn't make it to greece until later-on... think of the Elgin Marbles and things like that. egypt came later than rome too- egypt was not properly mapped out and methodically studied until napoleon's invasion of egypt in 1800.

so the standards and knowledge of 'classicism' and the associated architecture, art and philosophy follows that historical-route...
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2010-07-02 09:29:35
eleven bravo
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jord wrote:

And Egypt was before Greece.


It's fun to learn through games. Back to my Selucid empire to spawn loads of Olyvaunts.
youre like the 3rd world of pc gamers
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2010-07-02 09:31:17
eleven bravo
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Uzique wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Uzique wrote:

mek get a history lesson, dude. the whole 'classical' ideal has been copied from ancient rome, and then later from classic greece and has been seen as the 'standard' of beauty right through the classical-era up until the advent of modernism-- at which point europe was still the leading taste-maker in terms of architecture, fine art and whatnot anyway. the point isn't who 'invented' the standard of taste, the point is the pervasive influence that they do command (for whatever reason)- america copied europe's approach and reinvented and reused many european architectural and art movements, e.g. the american gothic that is present in lots of manhattan's skyscrapers. america had a different take on 'modernism' during their own era of city-building but it took a lot from the european principles... big names like le corbusier.

basically stop with your cynical bullshit in every thread and just face that the founding principles of america's culture and architecture was based in european classicism. of course it was 'their take' but the whole 'city on a hill' thing and the layout of major cities like washington d.c. is just a neo-classical project. america is not a 'foreign culture' so you really don't have a point... we're all in the same boat and all conforming to the same standards of beauty and accomplishment.
pretty much right, except wasnt classical greece before ancient rome.
we didn't have the archaelogical or historical knowledge about ancient greece right up until about the mid-18th century. therefore we looked to rome, because its ruins, histories and architecture were present all through the UK and europe. adventurers, academics, historians and antiquarians didn't make it to greece until later-on... think of the Elgin Marbles and things like that. egypt came later than rome too- egypt was not properly mapped out and methodically studied until napoleon's invasion of egypt in 1800.

so the standards and knowledge of 'classicism' and the associated architecture, art and philosophy follows that historical-route...
youre right. and that pisses me off.  I hadnt considered the fact that greek ruins were relativly recent discoveries.
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2010-07-02 09:33:02
Uzique
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why does it piss you off? it's not a fucking competition, dude

ive never studied history so im not waving a big 'go wave a book' wang in your face, as much as usmarine loves to think so
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2010-07-02 09:33:08
jord
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eleven bravo wrote:

jord wrote:

And Egypt was before Greece.


It's fun to learn through games. Back to my Selucid empire to spawn loads of Olyvaunts.
youre like the 3rd world of pc gamers
My pc doesnt run cod4.
2010-07-02 09:34:30
eleven bravo
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Uzique wrote:

why does it piss you off? it's not a fucking competition, dude

ive never studied history so im not waving a big 'go wave a book' wang in your face, as much as usmarine loves to think so
im big on history.  ask me anything about the us civil war
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2010-07-02 09:35:55
eleven bravo
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jord wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

jord wrote:

And Egypt was before Greece.


It's fun to learn through games. Back to my Selucid empire to spawn loads of Olyvaunts.
youre like the 3rd world of pc gamers
My pc doesnt run cod4.
i bet it runs cod though
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2010-07-02 09:36:42
Uzique
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eleven bravo wrote:

Uzique wrote:

why does it piss you off? it's not a fucking competition, dude

ive never studied history so im not waving a big 'go wave a book' wang in your face, as much as usmarine loves to think so
im big on history.  ask me anything about the us civil war
how many confederate casualties at gettysburg? no google, either. i know that one.
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2010-07-02 09:37:44
SEREVENT
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who won the us civil war?

no you can't use google for that either
2010-07-02 09:39:16
eleven bravo
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Uzique wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

Uzique wrote:

why does it piss you off? it's not a fucking competition, dude

ive never studied history so im not waving a big 'go wave a book' wang in your face, as much as usmarine loves to think so
im big on history.  ask me anything about the us civil war
how many confederate casualties at gettysburg? no google, either. i know that one.
between 25,000 and 30,000 if i recall correctly


the union won

my favorite general is george gordon meade

sherman is my hero
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2010-07-02 09:42:53
eleven bravo
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according to wikipedia it was 23,000 but ive heard figures where there were more than 53000 casualties combined and the majority were confederate.
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2010-07-02 09:45:23
Mekstizzle
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Uzique wrote:

mek get a history lesson, dude. the whole 'classical' ideal has been copied from ancient rome, and then later from classic greece and has been seen as the 'standard' of beauty right through the classical-era up until the advent of modernism-- at which point europe was still the leading taste-maker in terms of architecture, fine art and whatnot anyway. the point isn't who 'invented' the standard of taste, the point is the pervasive influence that they do command (for whatever reason)- america copied europe's approach and reinvented and reused many european architectural and art movements, e.g. the american gothic that is present in lots of manhattan's skyscrapers. america had a different take on 'modernism' during their own era of city-building but it took a lot from the european principles... big names like le corbusier.

basically stop with your cynical bullshit in every thread and just face that the founding principles of america's culture and architecture was based in european classicism. of course it was 'their take' but the whole 'city on a hill' thing and the layout of major cities like washington d.c. is just a neo-classical project. america is not a 'foreign culture' so you really don't have a point... we're all in the same boat and all conforming to the same standards of beauty and accomplishment.
You misunderstood my post, what I gathered from your post before was that only the European aspects of US culture could be considered "fine" and "cultured" in the sense that you meant. I said that terms/ideals like 'fine' 'cultured' is a European invention in the first place, and an attempt to apply it to say Asian or African cultures doesn't really work, so by trying to apply it (and then take it away by saying it only belongs in Europe and only Europe gave such a thing to the US) isn't really noteworthy.

I know American culture is based on European culture and especially how their government tries to mimic classic Greek/Roman architecture. That didn't really have to do with anything I said.
2010-07-02 09:47:15
Uzique
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we're on a western gaming forum discussing us hillbilles... only you would introduce the orient and think you carry some sort of point

if asians were the settlers of america, maybe then you'd have an argument to do your usual soliloquizing about
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2010-07-02 09:47:27
eleven bravo
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did you know that confederate gunpowder during the civil war used urine as a main ingredient because of the blockade.
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2010-07-02 09:48:13
SEREVENT
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eleven bravo wrote:

did you know that confederate gunpowder during the civil war used urine as a main ingredient because of the blockade.
i actually did know that
2010-07-02 09:48:47
Mekstizzle
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eleven bravo wrote:

did you know that confederate gunpowder during the civil war used urine as a main ingredient because of the blockade.
tell that to hamas

fair enough zeek, i think there was abit of a misunderstanding with things
2010-07-02 09:49:50
eleven bravo
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did you know the first hispanic american to recieve the medal of honor occurred during the battle of gettysburg when the color bearer of a massachusettes regiment (the hispanic cat) took the colors of the 19th virginia from the hands of their color bearer.
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2010-07-02 09:50:52
Uzique
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sweet dickens

i remember it as being 23k stated casualties... only remember cause it was the same on both sides

from like some history doc 5 years ago or something. funny the random shit you remember.
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2010-07-02 09:51:24
eleven bravo
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Mekstizzle wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

did you know that confederate gunpowder during the civil war used urine as a main ingredient because of the blockade.
tell that to hamas

fair enough zeek, i think there was abit of a misunderstanding with things
insurgents in iraq have been using piss to help make ied's is what that guy on here told me one time.
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2010-07-02 09:53:08
eleven bravo
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Uzique wrote:

sweet dickens

i remember it as being 23k stated casualties... only remember cause it was the same on both sides

from like some history doc 5 years ago or something. funny the random shit you remember.
the bloodiest single day in american history was the battle of antietam ( i think the confederacy called it battle of sharps something or other)
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2010-07-02 09:55:49
Uzique
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what about the day when mek's mum came on her period?
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2010-07-02 10:00:10
eleven bravo
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not as much as when she tore her rectum with a candlestick holder
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2010-07-02 10:21:11
FatherTed
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eleven bravo wrote:

did you know that confederate gunpowder during the civil war used urine as a main ingredient because of the blockade.
during the napoleonic wars, british pubs had buckets near the door where you'd wee wee in, for the production of gunpowder.
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2010-07-02 11:02:03
Lai
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Wait,.. America IS Euro right, as practically everyone who wasn't is, well,.. dead. We sent over all our trash as well as some Frenchies to make love to Pocahontas and shoot beavers so we could make tophats back in the metropole. Then all our trash, being far away from the establishments that "contained" them, started breeding like rabbits and founded the US. The trash killed most of the Frenchies, but tophats went out of fashion anyway, so the few remaining Frenchies stayed with Pocawhoretas and founded Canada. The trash now lapsed into an identity crisis since they didn't have a history and the history of the land they now lived it was thoroughly destroyed. So long after the Euro's left neoclassicism for the pretentious kitsch it was, next to the real deal scattered all over the continent, the trash for centuries kept using cheaper and cheaper materials to make even cheaper copies of failed Euro reproductions, which they subsequently called "American culture".

The British having so much trash by interbreeding on their bloody island for so long now had a problem. Britain was now the Naples of its day as all then maffia controlled dumpsites were closed and "independent". They could only be used for money laundering not for actually dumping trash anymore. Luckily for the British, there was Australia.

THE END

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2010-07-02 11:12:18
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