You're missing my point, again.
Exactly.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes it does. You're paying the barman with every drink you buy. He doesn't work for free. Your payment of his salary is simply indirect.Jaekus wrote:
That might hold true for the US. Doesn't work that way here.burnzz wrote:
if you*re a tightass and hang on to your money to squeeze out that last pint, don't worry - the bartender will make sure all the tippers are taken care of first, and your thirsty ass will be in the corner, foreveralone.jpg.
you will still have your money.
In Norway there are some cheeky bastards who get a full salary, yet still put your change on a napkin with "please leave a tip" written on it. Fuck that, I'm already paying $10 a glass for your shitty beer.
$10 a beer? And I thought NYC prices were high. Wow.Jenspm wrote:
Exactly.JohnG@lt wrote:
Yes it does. You're paying the barman with every drink you buy. He doesn't work for free. Your payment of his salary is simply indirect.Jaekus wrote:
That might hold true for the US. Doesn't work that way here.
In Norway there are some cheeky bastards who get a full salary, yet still put your change on a napkin with "please leave a tip" written on it. Fuck that, I'm already paying $10 a glass for your shitty beer.
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yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
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I get so sad when I walk into a bar and all I see is Bud, Bud Light, Coors Light, Sam Adams and StellaKmar wrote:
yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
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Not really. They charge $10 for 0.6L and often only have one beer to choose from, and it's hardly anything special (think Carlsberg).
Alcohol is heavily taxed in Norway, along with tobacco.
Alcohol is heavily taxed in Norway, along with tobacco.
therein lies the problemJohnG@lt wrote:
Bartenders get paid $2 an hour
I'd rather have waiters/bartenders/etc paid a real wage and then eat the cost in slightly higher prices.
I heard Sam Adams was alright, still haven't tried it though.JohnG@lt wrote:
I get so sad when I walk into a bar and all I see is Bud, Bud Light, Coors Light, Sam Adams and StellaKmar wrote:
yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
Why? You get better service from wait staff when they know their tip is on the line.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
therein lies the problemJohnG@lt wrote:
Bartenders get paid $2 an hour
I'd rather have waiters/bartenders/etc paid a real wage and then eat the cost in slightly higher prices.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It's ok. There's just about a million other beers I'd rather drink before it. I'm a beer snob thoughNic wrote:
I heard Sam Adams was alright, still haven't tried it though.JohnG@lt wrote:
I get so sad when I walk into a bar and all I see is Bud, Bud Light, Coors Light, Sam Adams and StellaKmar wrote:
yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
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-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
That is the entire reason it is stupid. Two bucks an hour, that is even not even the minimum wage here in the Netherlands.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is it stupid? Bartenders get paid $2 an hour plus tips.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
It makes sense in a way, it takes almost the same effort to pour a glass of water as it does to pour a glass of beer.
@liq yep, it's fucking stupid
It is just a complete scam. Employers give their employees minimal wages and tell them, make the rest of tips. And I bet the drinks they're selling aren't cheap either. So they are selling overpriced drinks (which I can live with, since it goes like that everywhere), pay shitty wages to their staff and if you're not familiar with the entire retarded US ways of tipping you'll pretty much be cut off untill you cough up more money for the same drink.
Bartenders here get paid roughly $20 an hour. Which is why you don't tip unless they give good service. Which is how it should be. I'm not giving money away as a social convention, I'd rather give it to those who do a good job.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
therein lies the problemJohnG@lt wrote:
Bartenders get paid $2 an hour
I'd rather have waiters/bartenders/etc paid a real wage and then eat the cost in slightly higher prices.
Umm, so you dislike it simply because you aren't used to it. Next?RDMC wrote:
That is the entire reason it is stupid. Two bucks an hour, that is even not even the minimum wage here in the Netherlands.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is it stupid? Bartenders get paid $2 an hour plus tips.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
It makes sense in a way, it takes almost the same effort to pour a glass of water as it does to pour a glass of beer.
@liq yep, it's fucking stupid
It is just a complete scam. Employers give their employees minimal wages and tell them, make the rest of tips. And I bet the drinks they're selling aren't cheap either. So they are selling overpriced drinks (which I can live with, since it goes like that everywhere), pay shitty wages to their staff and if you're not familiar with the entire retarded US ways of tipping you'll pretty much be cut off untill you cough up more money for the same drink.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
True, but I gotta say the service I had when I was in Paris was quite good and tipping isn't customary there.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why? You get better service from wait staff when they know their tip is on the line.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
therein lies the problemJohnG@lt wrote:
Bartenders get paid $2 an hour
I'd rather have waiters/bartenders/etc paid a real wage and then eat the cost in slightly higher prices.
Plus with new things like Yelp it's easier than ever to tell the world that a restaurant's service is terrible. A half-decent manager would then either fire his shitty staff or go under.
I dislike it because its simply the other way around, instead of the employers paying his employees, every customer that walks through the door has potentially turned into the employees employer since they are most likely to pay him more that hour than his actually employer will. That shit is just wrong..JohnG@lt wrote:
Umm, so you dislike it simply because you aren't used to it. Next?RDMC wrote:
That is the entire reason it is stupid. Two bucks an hour, that is even not even the minimum wage here in the Netherlands.JohnG@lt wrote:
Why is it stupid? Bartenders get paid $2 an hour plus tips.
It is just a complete scam. Employers give their employees minimal wages and tell them, make the rest of tips. And I bet the drinks they're selling aren't cheap either. So they are selling overpriced drinks (which I can live with, since it goes like that everywhere), pay shitty wages to their staff and if you're not familiar with the entire retarded US ways of tipping you'll pretty much be cut off untill you cough up more money for the same drink.
I got spoiled in Germany.JohnG@lt wrote:
I get so sad when I walk into a bar and all I see is Bud, Bud Light, Coors Light, Sam Adams and StellaKmar wrote:
yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
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No it's not. Half of the bartenders job is marketing. If he's shit and isn't pulling in customers he doesn't get paid.RDMC wrote:
I dislike it because its simply the other way around, instead of the employers paying his employees, every customer that walks through the door has potentially turned into the employees employer since they are most likely to pay him more that hour than his actually employer will. That shit is just wrong..JohnG@lt wrote:
Umm, so you dislike it simply because you aren't used to it. Next?RDMC wrote:
That is the entire reason it is stupid. Two bucks an hour, that is even not even the minimum wage here in the Netherlands.
It is just a complete scam. Employers give their employees minimal wages and tell them, make the rest of tips. And I bet the drinks they're selling aren't cheap either. So they are selling overpriced drinks (which I can live with, since it goes like that everywhere), pay shitty wages to their staff and if you're not familiar with the entire retarded US ways of tipping you'll pretty much be cut off untill you cough up more money for the same drink.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
My favorite beer in the world is KostritzerKmar wrote:
I got spoiled in Germany.JohnG@lt wrote:
I get so sad when I walk into a bar and all I see is Bud, Bud Light, Coors Light, Sam Adams and StellaKmar wrote:
yea but you prolly get real beer over there.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
The other thing I hate about tipping is that it's just based on price and not effort. It isn't any harder for the waiter to bring me a filet mignon than it is for him to bring me a caesar salad, yet he'd get more money for the filet mignon than the salad.
That is the biggest bull I've heard in my entire life. Are the bars really that empty in the US that the bartender has to put up a show just to get someone to buy a drink?JohnG@lt wrote:
No it's not. Half of the bartenders job is marketing. If he's shit and isn't pulling in customers he doesn't get paid.RDMC wrote:
I dislike it because its simply the other way around, instead of the employers paying his employees, every customer that walks through the door has potentially turned into the employees employer since they are most likely to pay him more that hour than his actually employer will. That shit is just wrong..JohnG@lt wrote:
Umm, so you dislike it simply because you aren't used to it. Next?
The other thing too is that the shittest bartender in the place is expecting tips just like the best bartender in the place. I'd rather tip the best one and not the shit one, to send the message to both that one is doing a great job and the other needs to lift their game.
Right. Marketing. It's his job to try to upsell you so he makes better tips and the restaurant makes more money. It's why you are offered sides and desert and drinks etc. Not because the waiter is being nice, but because it means a bigger bill.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
The other thing I hate about tipping is that it's just based on price and not effort. It isn't any harder for the waiter to bring me a filet mignon than it is for him to bring me a caesar salad, yet he'd get more money for the filet mignon than the salad.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
i dunno, i tip quite regularly, never thought anything of it
especially those guys doing tricks and crap with the bottles when making cocktails. unnecessary but cool.
especially those guys doing tricks and crap with the bottles when making cocktails. unnecessary but cool.
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Flairing.Toilet Sex wrote:
i dunno, i tip quite regularly, never thought anything of it
especially those guys doing tricks and crap with the bottles when making cocktails. unnecessary but cool.
There is a lot of competition. If one bar is known for having skimpily dressed bartenders it attracts a certain crowd. That's part of that bars marketing.RDMC wrote:
That is the biggest bull I've heard in my entire life. Are the bars really that empty in the US that the bartender has to put up a show just to get someone to buy a drink?JohnG@lt wrote:
No it's not. Half of the bartenders job is marketing. If he's shit and isn't pulling in customers he doesn't get paid.RDMC wrote:
I dislike it because its simply the other way around, instead of the employers paying his employees, every customer that walks through the door has potentially turned into the employees employer since they are most likely to pay him more that hour than his actually employer will. That shit is just wrong..
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat