SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6490|North Tonawanda, NY

AussieReaper wrote:

I think that cutting the public sector salaries to reduce debt is a bit of a stop gap measure, and is only likely to lead to a lower quality public sector.

If it drives away workers, how does that help the state? How does the public sector gain anything from this?

By all means cut spending projects, but hitting salaries of the middle/working class public servants is going to help anyone.
Well, in a case of 'cut salaries' or 'cut jobs', which would be better?  It's a no-win situation.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5717|London, England

SenorToenails wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


I thought this was the funniest paragraph. It wasn't broad and sweeping at all.
Shrug. I experienced it many times as a kid. Teachers would use their students as weapons against their parents whenever a budget meeting came up. If the budget was voted down they would immediately cancel all after school programs which would make the kids howl even louder.
Never happened to me, lol...I think a lot of your experiences can hardly be condsidered a rule...I had a completely different experience throughout school.  I had many teachers who challenged and engaged me, but I also had parents who did the same.  My public school education was pretty damn good.
It's an annual tradition on Long Island. Every year, every school district requests an increase in the tax rate and every year they threaten to cancel after school programs unless they get their way. One year, my hometown voted it down and they canceled the football team the next day. So a bunch of parents gathered up the money that would be necessary to fund the team and tried handing it to the school district. The school district wouldn't take it because they would've lost all future leverage.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6508|'straya
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.

What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5717|London, England

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.

What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
I was going to ask if the plumber gets free healthcare and a pension but you live in bloody Australia
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6490|North Tonawanda, NY

JohnG@lt wrote:

It's an annual tradition on Long Island. Every year, every school district requests an increase in the tax rate and every year they threaten to cancel after school programs unless they get their way. One year, my hometown voted it down and they canceled the football team the next day. So a bunch of parents gathered up the money that would be necessary to fund the team and tried handing it to the school district. The school district wouldn't take it because they would've lost all future leverage.
Sounds like you guys needed a new school board!
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6490|North Tonawanda, NY

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.

What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
Future generations can wait if I have a sewage backup in the basement!  :p
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5717|London, England

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.

What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
Besides, there are two things working in favor of the plumber: 1) Far more people want to be teachers than plumbers, this keeps the wages of the teachers down and that of the plumbers up. 2) Being a plumber requires skill. Teaching requires you to memorize a lesson plan. You could be dumb as a box of rocks and function as a teacher as long as you teach out of the textbook.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6508|'straya

JohnG@lt wrote:

Little BaBy JESUS wrote:

Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.

What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
Besides, there are two things working in favor of the plumber: 1) Far more people want to be teachers than plumbers, this keeps the wages of the teachers down and that of the plumbers up. 2) Being a plumber requires skill. Teaching requires you to memorize a lesson plan. You could be dumb as a box of rocks and function as a teacher as long as you teach out of the textbook.
I'm going to have to disagree. Again i'm not sure what teachers you had. But you do need skills or at least intelligence to be a good teacher. For example, my favourite teacher (Physics teacher) had his PhD, my music teacher had multiple degrees and was a member of the sydney symphony orchestra (the best in Australia) and my mum (who is a teacher) has  multiple bachelors and a masters.

I never had a teacher who simply "taught out of a textbook" and there have actually been incentives in Australia (such as a free/discounted degrees) because there has been a shortage of teachers in some disciplines.

Last edited by Little BaBy JESUS (2011-02-17 19:06:04)

AussieReaper
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Wisconsin State Senator Lena Taylor (D) is one of the 14 Democrats who staged a walkout Thursday.

At least we know she wasn't kidnapped:


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/rac_goshawk/lena-taylor-fb-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
13rin
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I'm going to refrain from posting about politics henceforth.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
13urnzz
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DBBrinson1 wrote:

I'm going to refrain from posting about politics henceforth.
yeah, right. and i'm going to refrain from posting . . .
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
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AussieReaper wrote:

I think that cutting the public sector salaries to reduce debt is a bit of a stop gap measure, and is only likely to lead to a lower quality public sector.

If it drives away workers, how does that help the state? How does the public sector gain anything from this?

By all means cut spending projects, but hitting salaries of the middle/working class public servants is going to help anyone.
I don't necessarily think salaries need to be hit so much as public pension plans.  By and large they are the most disgusting part of county/state/federal budgets
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5597|Cleveland, Ohio
stupid fucking teachers.  stupid fucking unions.  stupid dems.
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5597|Cleveland, Ohio
i just dont get this wisconsin shit.  you are in the red.  there are millions without jobs.  you have a pension and pay less for healthcare then most people. fucking go die in a fire.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5538|Sydney
Bleach?
11 Bravo
Banned
+965|5597|Cleveland, Ohio
why are you trolling
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5538|Sydney
Go die in fire isn't trolling? I just thought bleach would be more appropriate for a scale en masse as you were suggesting.
11 Bravo
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+965|5597|Cleveland, Ohio

Jaekus wrote:

Go die in fire isn't trolling? I just thought bleach would be more appropriate for a scale en masse as you were suggesting.
it wasnt aimed at you or a member so how is that trolling?
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5538|Sydney
It's not really, I was just trying things from your side for a while also.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6512|what

I had no idea the Wisconsin / Eygpt situation was so dire.



The anti-Christ!
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Jay
Bork! Bork! Bork!
+2,006|5717|London, England

AussieReaper wrote:

I had no idea the Wisconsin / Eygpt situation was so dire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJg8AVRgN8

The anti-Christ!
lol msnbc
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6508|'straya
Lol commercial media.
Uzique
dasein.
+2,865|6830
glenn beck frightens the shit out of me

hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?

the guy is a total dumbshit crackpot
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6512|what

Uzique wrote:

hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?
Yep. That would be the one, the only, Mr Galt.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,818|6465|eXtreme to the maX

Uzique wrote:

glenn beck frightens the shit out of me

hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?

the guy is a total dumbshit crackpot
He's very smart, he must be the highest paid mouthpiece of the whole Murdoch corporation.
He' the Tracy Emin of TV.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2011-02-21 16:37:27)

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