Well, in a case of 'cut salaries' or 'cut jobs', which would be better? It's a no-win situation.AussieReaper wrote:
I think that cutting the public sector salaries to reduce debt is a bit of a stop gap measure, and is only likely to lead to a lower quality public sector.
If it drives away workers, how does that help the state? How does the public sector gain anything from this?
By all means cut spending projects, but hitting salaries of the middle/working class public servants is going to help anyone.
It's an annual tradition on Long Island. Every year, every school district requests an increase in the tax rate and every year they threaten to cancel after school programs unless they get their way. One year, my hometown voted it down and they canceled the football team the next day. So a bunch of parents gathered up the money that would be necessary to fund the team and tried handing it to the school district. The school district wouldn't take it because they would've lost all future leverage.SenorToenails wrote:
Never happened to me, lol...I think a lot of your experiences can hardly be condsidered a rule...I had a completely different experience throughout school. I had many teachers who challenged and engaged me, but I also had parents who did the same. My public school education was pretty damn good.JohnG@lt wrote:
Shrug. I experienced it many times as a kid. Teachers would use their students as weapons against their parents whenever a budget meeting came up. If the budget was voted down they would immediately cancel all after school programs which would make the kids howl even louder.AussieReaper wrote:
I thought this was the funniest paragraph. It wasn't broad and sweeping at all.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
I was going to ask if the plumber gets free healthcare and a pension but you live in bloody AustraliaLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Sounds like you guys needed a new school board!JohnG@lt wrote:
It's an annual tradition on Long Island. Every year, every school district requests an increase in the tax rate and every year they threaten to cancel after school programs unless they get their way. One year, my hometown voted it down and they canceled the football team the next day. So a bunch of parents gathered up the money that would be necessary to fund the team and tried handing it to the school district. The school district wouldn't take it because they would've lost all future leverage.
Future generations can wait if I have a sewage backup in the basement! :pLittle BaBy JESUS wrote:
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
Besides, there are two things working in favor of the plumber: 1) Far more people want to be teachers than plumbers, this keeps the wages of the teachers down and that of the plumbers up. 2) Being a plumber requires skill. Teaching requires you to memorize a lesson plan. You could be dumb as a box of rocks and function as a teacher as long as you teach out of the textbook.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
I'm going to have to disagree. Again i'm not sure what teachers you had. But you do need skills or at least intelligence to be a good teacher. For example, my favourite teacher (Physics teacher) had his PhD, my music teacher had multiple degrees and was a member of the sydney symphony orchestra (the best in Australia) and my mum (who is a teacher) has multiple bachelors and a masters.JohnG@lt wrote:
Besides, there are two things working in favor of the plumber: 1) Far more people want to be teachers than plumbers, this keeps the wages of the teachers down and that of the plumbers up. 2) Being a plumber requires skill. Teaching requires you to memorize a lesson plan. You could be dumb as a box of rocks and function as a teacher as long as you teach out of the textbook.Little BaBy JESUS wrote:
Wow you really don't like teachers. While i've had the odd teacher who wasn't that great over all my teachers were very good. I found my private school education to be fantastic.
What I don't understand at least is that (in Australia at least) a teacher often makes half as much as a plumber does. What is more important, future generations education or your toilet.
I never had a teacher who simply "taught out of a textbook" and there have actually been incentives in Australia (such as a free/discounted degrees) because there has been a shortage of teachers in some disciplines.
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Wisconsin State Senator Lena Taylor (D) is one of the 14 Democrats who staged a walkout Thursday.
At least we know she wasn't kidnapped:
At least we know she wasn't kidnapped:


I'm going to refrain from posting about politics henceforth.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
yeah, right. and i'm going to refrain from posting . . .DBBrinson1 wrote:
I'm going to refrain from posting about politics henceforth.
I don't necessarily think salaries need to be hit so much as public pension plans. By and large they are the most disgusting part of county/state/federal budgetsAussieReaper wrote:
I think that cutting the public sector salaries to reduce debt is a bit of a stop gap measure, and is only likely to lead to a lower quality public sector.
If it drives away workers, how does that help the state? How does the public sector gain anything from this?
By all means cut spending projects, but hitting salaries of the middle/working class public servants is going to help anyone.
stupid fucking teachers. stupid fucking unions. stupid dems.
i just dont get this wisconsin shit. you are in the red. there are millions without jobs. you have a pension and pay less for healthcare then most people. fucking go die in a fire.
Bleach?
why are you trolling
Go die in fire isn't trolling? I just thought bleach would be more appropriate for a scale en masse as you were suggesting.
it wasnt aimed at you or a member so how is that trolling?Jaekus wrote:
Go die in fire isn't trolling? I just thought bleach would be more appropriate for a scale en masse as you were suggesting.
It's not really, I was just trying things from your side for a while also.
I had no idea the Wisconsin / Eygpt situation was so dire.
The anti-Christ!
The anti-Christ!

lol msnbcAussieReaper wrote:
I had no idea the Wisconsin / Eygpt situation was so dire.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAJg8AVRgN8
The anti-Christ!
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Lol commercial media.
glenn beck frightens the shit out of me
hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?
the guy is a total dumbshit crackpot
hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?
the guy is a total dumbshit crackpot
libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual. http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/
Yep. That would be the one, the only, Mr Galt.Uzique wrote:
hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?

He's very smart, he must be the highest paid mouthpiece of the whole Murdoch corporation.Uzique wrote:
glenn beck frightens the shit out of me
hahaha didn't some bf2s member the other day say he writes riveting prose fiction?
the guy is a total dumbshit crackpot
He' the Tracy Emin of TV.
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Fuck Israel