BF2S Forums Conceal carry choices Pt 2

13rin wrote:

Jay wrote:

We spend millions of dollars on police salaries every year. I have never, in the 25 or so years that I've lived in New York felt that I was in danger on the street. If I did happen to have a gun on me and drew down on someone, the most likely outcome would be me getting shot by the cops. Defending your home or business? Absolutely no problem with that. The cops won't get there in time. But walking around with a concealed weapon in broad daylight for the one in a billion chance that I'll actually need it? Nah. I'm cool with our concealed carry restrictions. The people who do carry are people who actually need them, not some yokel with paranoia issues.

The amount of money you spend on the police is irrelevant as is your '25 years or so' statement.  That doesn't forecast what may/may not happen tomorrow.  I'm not familiar with NY policing.  Is there an police officer every 25 yards?  Carrying a firearm doesn't mean one has paranoia issues.

One in a billion?  If those were actually the odds, I probably wouldn't carry.

There are about 12 million people in the NYC area. Between those 12 million people there are billions of personal interactions that take place. Only a bare handful of them result in any form of crime occurring. Most of the crimes committed in NYC are performed in the ghetto. I live on a quiet residential street full of Asians, Jews, Irish and Italians. I don't go into the ghetto, and people generally don't fuck with me because I'm 6'3" and over 240 lbs. The last physical altercation I was involved in took place seven years ago when I was home on leave from the Army and my brother started a fist fight at a bar. I walked out of that bar with sleeves covered in blood up to my elbows. So, I can handle myself quite well but avoid it if at all possible.

So, long story short, I think people that carry guns are pussies afraid of their own shadow.

Bad shit don't happen in good neighborhoods

13rin wrote:

Jay wrote:

There are about 12 million people in the NYC area. Between those 12 million people there are billions of personal interactions that take place. Only a bare handful of them result in any form of crime occurring. Most of the crimes committed in NYC are performed in the ghetto. I live on a quiet residential street full of Asians, Jews, Irish and Italians. I don't go into the ghetto, and people generally don't fuck with me because I'm 6'3" and over 240 lbs. The last physical altercation I was involved in took place seven years ago when I was home on leave from the Army and my brother started a fist fight at a bar. I walked out of that bar with sleeves covered in blood up to my elbows. So, I can handle myself quite well but avoid it if at all possible.

So, long story short, I think people that carry guns are pussies afraid of their own shadow.

I find it funny people who live in areas where they aren't permitted to carry seem to echo your sentiments.   It's like ya'll are jealous.  You going to be with the missus 24/7?  Can she fight as well as you?  Not every one is 6'3 240lb trained by the military to fight hand to hand.

im permitted to carry and i echo his sentiments

13rin wrote:

Jay wrote:

Because it's common sense. It's not normal to walk around with a gun strapped to your hip 24/7. Ever notice that the American South and countries in perpetual civil war are pretty much the only places in the world where it's considered normal to carry a weapon with you wherever you go? Most people don't live in fear. In the South's case I'll chalk it up to residual fear of slave rebellions.

Jay, 40 out of 50 states have a right to carry.  That's hardly just 'the South'.  Your state is abnormal, not mine.  Fear of firearms has lead to the confiscation and prohibition of them.  Unfortunately the criminals don't give a fuck about the laws that you and I abide.

You can't seem to get past the misconception that those who carry a gun live in fear.  As I said before, its a simple concept to grasp.  I am prepared.  I'd much rather have and not need than need and not have.  Until you can accurately predict the future or perhaps when criminals begin making appointments with their victims; maybe then I'd consider not carrying everyday.

When was the last time you were the victim of a crime while not on your own property?

Jay wrote:

When was the last time you were the victim of a crime while not on your own property?

That doesn't matter.  Yesterday =/= Tomorrow.

Jay wrote:

13rin wrote:

Jay wrote:

When was the last time you were the victim of a crime while not on your own property?

That doesn't matter.  Yesterday =/= Tomorrow.

Really? Ok. So I should carry a three pound brick attached to my hip for the next fifty years of my life 'just in case'. Sounds like fun. Face it, you have a paranoia problem.

You're outta gas on this one.  You have no argument other than "you're paranoid".  I'm not, I'm a realist.  You know as well as any that life is unpredictable.  I'd rather be prepared. 

I sure as shit don't want to carry something that weighs that much.  Hence the seecamp, back on page one.  The gun I carry actually weighs 13.25 oz fully loaded.  Your wallet and keys probably weigh roughly the same. 

But, now that we've established that you're never going to carry a firearm, and believe people that do be basically 'paranoid pussies', why are you even in this thread?   Dude just wanted some carry suggestions and you stop in to... what?  You weren't looking to even understand why people carry as you've all ready made up your mind.

Does it not feel stifling having a gun strapped to your hip? Are you not completely aware that it's there at all times?

Actually, it'd be interesting to see how many people are actually killed in cold blood in the states, ie murders where the other person is a complete stranger and has put up no resistance what-so-ever.

Jenspm wrote:

Does it not feel stifling having a gun strapped to your hip? Are you not completely aware that it's there at all times?

Actually, it'd be interesting to see how many people are actually killed in cold blood in the states, ie murders where the other person is a complete stranger and has put up no resistance what-so-ever.

Yes it does.  That's why I don't carry a huge pistol.  I'm so used to carrying my ultra heavy 13.5 ounce pistol I hardly notice its in a wallet holster in my pocket.








I'd love to see the statistic on the amount of crime that hasn't occurred because they asshat thought the person they about to accost was armed.

Last edited by 13rin (2011-06-27 11:53:42)

What does one wear that you can go around with a concealed pistol? I imagine it'd be quite easy if you had a coat or jacket, but supposing you're just wearing a button-up shirt and pants, I reckon you'd be more aware of its presence.

13rin wrote:

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Well heck Jay, you know that NYC has such a great mass transit system, so I guess you don't need a license.  And since the streets are all paved, there couldn't possibly be a chance of stepping on rock, therefore you don't need shoes either.   Come to think of it, there's probably an internet cafe around the corner has computers for you to use if needed, so you can ditch yours....  Come on man.

* I have a umbrella in my car also as well as one at work.  So yea.  I have an umbrella when there are nothing but blue skies.  However, I live in Florida where it tends to rain everyday too.  Rain can come at anytime.

You know damn well that the entire purpose of you wearing a pistol is that you want to intimidate others. They see that bulge in your back pocket, feel a little scared, and it puts a smile on your face doesn't it? They don't know if you're a felon, or crazy, or just some paranoid person who only wants to carry for self defense. Admit it, it's nothing more than you projecting your insecurities onto others and taking away their sense of peace so you can feel safer. That right there is why I have such a problem with people that choose to carry 24/7. You are taking away my ability to feel safe in a crowd. It's no different than if I walked down the street and stared down everyone that I passed. They feel threatened because they don't know me or anything about me. What you've really said throughout your posts is that you give a fuck about no one but yourself. You don't give a fuck if you make someone feel uncomfortable, that's their problem right? Self-centered coward is what I think when I see a bulge. It must suck to live your life in terror.

SEREMAKER wrote:

you look for bulges

No, I live in NYC. I don't have to worry about stuff like that

Jay wrote:

You know damn well that the entire purpose of you wearing a pistol is that you want to intimidate others.

Bullshit.  Reread my posts.  I thought it was for me being paranoid?

jay wrote:

They see that bulge in your back pocket, feel a little scared, and it puts a smile on your face doesn't it? They don't know if you're a felon, or crazy, or just some paranoid person who only wants to carry for self defense.

My gun doesn't print..  If it did print, it would look like a wallet.  Wow... The whole point for me carrying concealed is so no one knows.

jay wrote:

Admit it, it's nothing more than you projecting your insecurities onto others and taking away their sense of peace so you can feel safer. That right there is why I have such a problem with people that choose to carry 24/7. You are taking away my ability to feel safe in a crowd. It's no different than if I walked down the street and stared down everyone that I passed.

Um... Again, people don't know I'm carrying, and I don't want them to know.  I could care less if other's are carrying either.  Am I a bit more aware of those that pring? Yea, does it make me feel less safe?  No... 

As to your crowd argument, you should feel less safe as at the moment, the only people that are carrying guns in the crowd around you are criminals and the police.  I have a feeling that in NYC they are less cops than thugs. 

jay wrote:

They feel threatened because they don't know me or anything about me. What you've really said throughout your posts is that you give a fuck about no one but yourself. You don't give a fuck if you make someone feel uncomfortable, that's their problem right? Self-centered coward is what I think when I see a bulge. It must suck to live your life in terror.

They feel nothing as they don't know I'm carrying.  I've been pretty blunt in my posts as to my intent, just go read them again.  In this thread you've called me a self-centered, a coward, and pussy.  I've never been anything but cordial to you.  Who's really the selfish one around these parts.  Look out everyone, here come Jay the big bad internet bully.

who likes looking at bulges