In the IT industry? Maybe if you want to go into garbage disposal then having an HND is really going to make you stand out from the crowd, but otherwise someone with a degree is going to piss all over your application.
I'm going to be a waiter. The world will always need waiters.
Until we get better robots.
Go apprentiship.ghettoperson wrote:
HND isn't worth shit.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
my advice would be to do this.
put any university aspirations on hold
do the apprenticeship
join a organisation and build up your tech skills & certifications (you will start at the bottom)
4-5 years into job request to do a Masters and get them to pay for it
do your masters in a business/management field, you don't need tech skills (you've got them now)
No you don't need a undergraduate degree, <5+ experience is a good substitute (you may have to demonstrate some level of progression though)
A masters is in my experience just the last year of a degree anyway, so you'll get the degree with none of the debt. Of course the above depends on remaining diligent and keeping focus of what you want, something i have noticed neither the robbins numpties posses.
put any university aspirations on hold
do the apprenticeship
join a organisation and build up your tech skills & certifications (you will start at the bottom)
4-5 years into job request to do a Masters and get them to pay for it
do your masters in a business/management field, you don't need tech skills (you've got them now)
No you don't need a undergraduate degree, <5+ experience is a good substitute (you may have to demonstrate some level of progression though)
A masters is in my experience just the last year of a degree anyway, so you'll get the degree with none of the debt. Of course the above depends on remaining diligent and keeping focus of what you want, something i have noticed neither the robbins numpties posses.
Last edited by m3thod (2011-07-31 14:09:37)
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You can't outsource a waiter.
or a junkieMacbeth wrote:
You can't outsource a waiter.
True, but waiting tables sucks.Macbeth wrote:
You can't outsource a waiter.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You wouldn't download a waiter.
thank you for your hideously passive-aggressive post. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200.Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
But seriously, I'm going to apply for the job in the morning, and see what happens then.
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
Won't be long till Gurdeep is doing your job too...Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
I figure if my field ends up getting outsourced to bumfuck nowhere I'll just open a bar.
How about you offer an alcohol delivery service?Hurricane2k9 wrote:
I figure if my field ends up getting outsourced to bumfuck nowhere I'll just open a bar.
Imagine all the orders you could take! Who else does to your door beer delivery?
Nah, my job is protected Like lawyers, engineers have set up a bunch of hurdles to clear before you're granted entry. My job is safe.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Won't be long till Gurdeep is doing your job too...Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
I figure if my field ends up getting outsourced to bumfuck nowhere I'll just open a bar.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Well, what do you expect? I think you're an arrogant prick and don't like you. The advice is still valid though, the IT industry has been in a tailspin since the late 90s in terms of job security and pay. Once upon a time I was a CS major and I'm deliriously happy that I didn't continue down that path. I've watched too many friends go from job to job and end up back at home with their parents, or living on someones couch.Camm wrote:
thank you for your hideously passive-aggressive post. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200.Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
But seriously, I'm going to apply for the job in the morning, and see what happens then.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay wrote:
Well, what do you expect? I think you're an arrogant prick and don't like you.Camm wrote:
thank you for your hideously passive-aggressive post. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200.Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
But seriously, I'm going to apply for the job in the morning, and see what happens then.
I... I don't see it, how am i arrogant?
In America, maybe.Jay[/quote wrote:
The advice is still valid though, the IT industry has been in a tailspin since the late 90s in terms of job security and pay. Once upon a time I was a CS major and I'm deliriously happy that I didn't continue down that path. I've watched too many friends go from job to job and end up back at home with their parents, or living on someones couch.
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
Well hopefully MIS is somewhat similar. I figure if I can get a security clearance job that'll help... can't outsource DHS work to the injuns.Jay wrote:
Nah, my job is protected Like lawyers, engineers have set up a bunch of hurdles to clear before you're granted entry. My job is safe.Hurricane2k9 wrote:
Won't be long till Gurdeep is doing your job too...Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
I figure if my field ends up getting outsourced to bumfuck nowhere I'll just open a bar.
And if not, I'll go with Aussie's plan.
gurdeep itt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdeepcoolstorybro wrote:
gurdeep itt
Oh god read the popularity statistics.
In 2009, Professor Plutonium was trying to make the perfect little girl. However, while adding sugar, spice, and everything nice, Professor Plutonium accidentally added Chemical X, and thus Gurdeep was born.
In 2008, dog balls.
What makes you think your job won't get outsourced? UK won't do shit to "protect" IT jobs anyway.Camm wrote:
Jay wrote:
Well, what do you expect? I think you're an arrogant prick and don't like you.Camm wrote:
thank you for your hideously passive-aggressive post. Do not pass go. Do not collect £200.
But seriously, I'm going to apply for the job in the morning, and see what happens then.
I... I don't see it, how am i arrogant?In America, maybe.Jay[/quote wrote:
The advice is still valid though, the IT industry has been in a tailspin since the late 90s in terms of job security and pay. Once upon a time I was a CS major and I'm deliriously happy that I didn't continue down that path. I've watched too many friends go from job to job and end up back at home with their parents, or living on someones couch.
Your work ethic, reputation, and ability to produce go a long way in any field and this field is no different. M3th is right about focusing on the work experience. I don't snub my nose at higher education but the reality is being able to do the work is equally as important.
Yeah seen the same thing as well. Too many people with narrow skill-sets, vendor loyalty, or, not continually keeping their skills and understanding up to date.Jay wrote:
Find a different field to go into. IT is not stable and you are likely to get outsourced. I know you're an arrogant fuck and think you know everything but there are millions of people just like you with the same skillset who are willing to take a wage even beneath a Scotsmans. Every kid that plays too many video games wants to be in IT because he thinks he will be able to play at work. That is your competition. You are not special. You'll blow me off, but this is the best advice you'll ever get: do not go into IT.
And 'outsourced' doesn't simply mean sending the job to India. It could be replacing the IT department at your office and bringing in part time consultants in your stead. It could be ditching you and your ever rising pay and benefits for a fresh out of college kid that will work for half. These things happen every day in the IT industry. IT guys are considered a luxury and non-essential and are the first to get cut when profits sag.Cybargs wrote:
What makes you think your job won't get outsourced? UK won't do shit to "protect" IT jobs anyway.Camm wrote:
Jay wrote:
Well, what do you expect? I think you're an arrogant prick and don't like you.
I... I don't see it, how am i arrogant?In America, maybe.Jay[/quote wrote:
The advice is still valid though, the IT industry has been in a tailspin since the late 90s in terms of job security and pay. Once upon a time I was a CS major and I'm deliriously happy that I didn't continue down that path. I've watched too many friends go from job to job and end up back at home with their parents, or living on someones couch.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
And it's not like Cam could ever be a part time consultant be- oh, wait. He could.Jay wrote:
And 'outsourced' doesn't simply mean sending the job to India. It could be replacing the IT department at your office and bringing in part time consultants in your stead. It could be ditching you and your ever rising pay and benefits for a fresh out of college kid that will work for half. These things happen every day in the IT industry. IT guys are considered a luxury and non-essential and are the first to get cut when profits sag.Cybargs wrote:
What makes you think your job won't get outsourced? UK won't do shit to "protect" IT jobs anyway.Camm wrote:
In America, maybe.Jay wrote:
Well, what do you expect? I think you're an arrogant prick and don't like you.
I... I don't see it, how am i arrogant?
And it's not like Cam would ever be a fresh out of college kid that will work for half be- oh, wait. He could.