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Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

Do the Republicans not normally raise money then?

Donors have abandoned a Trump led campaign, Democrats raising money as normal while Trump fails is not down to the Democrats being evil.

Democrats are money raising machines. They're in control in the most wealthy states and milk their local industries like crazy. For a party that always talks about the need for campaign finance reform and overturning citizens united, they sure don't have a problem with taking wall street and hollywood money. They're fucking hypocrites. At least the republicans are honest. Bernie Sanders financed his campaign like the democrats would if they were actually honest and ethical and not just looking for spoils.

Bringing back lobbyists is Hillary stating that we're now ready to return to business as usual, with open corruption ruling in DC. She couldn't be more tone deaf to why everyone absolutely despises her.

So both sides are exactly the same, what is the point you're making?

Last edited by Jay (2016-07-29 17:50:30)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

They're grasping greedy people who feel that they've climbed some meritocratic ladder and it gives them the right to steal whatever they can from the taxpayers, whom they despise as morons who need to be saved from themselves....... By contrast, the republicans I've met tend to be warm and honest, if not as bright.

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, don't worry about actual track records, go with whoever makes your panties wet.

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, don't worry about actual track records, go with whoever makes your panties wet.

I am looking at track records, not one-off presidencies. Democrats gave us the civil war, world war 1, world war 2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, political assassinations, somalia, kosovo, Libya etc. They're not the dove party by any means.

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2016-07-30 16:22:50)

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

OK, don't worry about actual track records, go with whoever makes your panties wet.

I am looking at track records, not one-off presidencies. Democrats gave us the civil war, world war 1, world war 2, the Korean war, the Vietnam war, political assassinations, somalia, kosovo, Libya etc. They're not the dove party by any means.

The civil war was a bad thing?
World War 1 was started by the Germans, not the Democrats - and you were in it barely a year.
World War 2 - That was the Germans again, and the Japanese, not the Democrats
Korea and Vietnam were products of Chinese aggression and your belligerent military industrial-complex which needed an outlet for its goods and services.
Political assassinations - that was mostly the CIA which was a law unto itself which despised the Democrats.
Somalia, Kosovo, Libya - Trivial skirmishes.

You forgot Gulf Wars I and II and Afghanistan - actual wars of aggression and all direct products of Republican agenda and policy.

Jay wrote:

Really? I seem to recall Sadam invading Kuwait as the trigger for desert storm. I recall 9/11 as the trigger for Afghanistan. If you wanted to go the imperialistic route you should've named Grenada and Panama or the Spanish-American War. But hey, whatever, I know you wasted a decade of your life arguing on the internet that the US was evil for the Iraq invasion and it's tough to move on.

Jay wrote:

Of all the wars in my lifetime it's the most defensible.

Jay wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

Do you really hate the democrats so much you want to justify the first Iraq war? That was a really stupid war that made no sense then and now. I can believe Bush family ties to Saudi Arabia and a desire to show off the American military had more to do with that war starting than genuine humanitarian concerns regarding Kuwait.

It was as justified as the British declaing war on Germany after they invaded Poland.

Jay wrote:

coke wrote:

Jay wrote:

It was as justified as the British declaing war on Germany after they invaded Poland.

Except both Britain and France had defence pacts with Poland...

Is that really so different from the Saudis requesting help to defend their borders? I seem to remember the UN being happy to help out. The reality is that oil drives our economies and protecting the supply of it is rather important.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Jay wrote:

Is that really so different from the Saudis requesting help to defend their borders? I seem to remember the UN being happy to help out. The reality is that oil drives our economies and protecting the supply of it is rather important.

You see no difference between one the one hand Britain, Poland and France having a mutual defence pact in advance of Poland being attacked by Germany, and on the other America having no defence agreement with Saudi Arabia and giving Saddam the green light to attack Kuwait - after all Kuwait was waging a brutal economic war against Iraq and stealing their oil from under their feet -  and then changing their minds afterwards and attacking Iraq when the Saudis weren't threatened at all?

Its OK though, you're doing what you always do - you've determined that you personally will be better off under Trump since he will likely cut personal taxation, fuck the country and everyone else and you'll jump through hoops to rationalise yourself as the altruistic intellectual and good-guy in your own mind.

No-ones fooled though.

Jay wrote:

I'd vote for Trump just to see Obamacare go away