Larssen
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Over here you first obtain your bachelor's & masters in law, then you have to apply for a clerkship/intership at a law firm under the guidance/patronship of a practicing lawyer. For at least the next 3 years you work full-time as a 'prospective' lawyer, handling cases while also still having oral/written examinations during this period. Clients are aware of your status. Only after succesful completion will you be sworn in as a registered, practicing lawyer. To maintain your status or 'license' as it were you have to achieve X amount of 'study points' each year as well.

All in all it takes at absolute minimum 7 years, usually 8 or a little longer.
RTHKI
mmmf mmmf mmmf
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

RTHKI wrote:

mmfmmfmmf
That's unfortunate. You can become an high school engineering teacher. You are a pretty good looking guy. So you can have jailbait vie for your attention all day and 5 to 7 years after they graduate maybe start dating them. In the post pandemic hell scape of Ohio, settling down with an older male will be the best the checks notes ignorant rural white trash ladies of Ohio can hope for.
You know what I look like? Also in 5 years I'll be 33.
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SuperJail Warden
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On your Flickr account isn't the profile pic you?
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uziq
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yep it's really really easy to go to law school. trust jay. he went to a naval college after sitting on his ass in a base in iraq playing xbox for two tours.
SuperJail Warden
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By the way it should be legal to briefly strangle anyone who makes a sincere argument that the virus is a bio-weaoon from China.
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unnamednewbie13
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

We do have trade schools where really derpy kids are taught how to change oil or wire a house without killing themselves but those are mostly unregulated scams. They will give kids a useless piece of paper saying they know how a transmission works for the price of a real college education. The trades only take those certificates as a little serious.
Depends on the trade school, I think. If someone's thinking about going to go to one, I'd suggest talking with some students and instructors first. Like do they prep for industry standard certification in whatever field? Sometimes companies will hire straight out of a class, sometimes before they even graduate.
unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

yep it's really really easy to go to law school. trust jay. he went to a naval college after sitting on his ass in a base in iraq playing xbox for two tours.

Jay wrote:

No need for that.
RTHKI
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

On your Flickr account isn't the profile pic you?
The pixelated pic from 9 years ago, yea.


SuperJail Warden wrote:

By the way it should be legal to briefly strangle anyone who makes a sincere argument that the virus is a bio-weaoon from China.
What's the time limit?
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SuperJail Warden
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When the person starts to change colors. I will accept a very bright red.
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Larssen
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Jay wrote:

uziq wrote:

so you read totally unqualified sub-journalists on online blogs and bias mouthpieces like the national review instead, gotcha.

you do realize that almost all of the columnists and people writing for the 'fake news' mainstream media aren't graduates of 'journalism' undergraduate courses, right?

this is the same thing as your 'wow he went to wharton for undergrad!' talk. you simply do not have a clue how formal education works.
Unqualified by whose measure? I read mainstream right-leaning digital magazines for the most part. I generally have my opinion formed long before I find a concurring piece. I don't get my opinions from the media, I get my confirmations from the media.

You're far too obsessed with credentials, as always. I don't really give a fuck where someone did their undergrad education five years ago, let alone fifty years removed like Trump. To you, it's the all important measure of a man. I also don't care about grad school. I don't think an extra two years in college in your twenties matters at all whatsoever when you're forty. I don't care what his grades were. I don't care what he studied. None of it is at all relevant. Did he go to vocational college to become President of the United States? Doubtful.

When I judge a person, because I do have to judge people when I hire them, I care about what they've done since college. What are their hobbies? Do they read? Do they work on their car? Do they like to travel? This tells me more about a person than their tie pin does. You know what a degree really means, right? It's a social signal that shows the bearer can follow directions, has at least a decent memory, and can form basic sentences. If they went the math route it means they can plug numbers into formulas. It doesn't tell me the person is creative, or rebellious, or can think outside of the box, it tells me that they can follow directions and put together IKEA furniture.

Academia, for all its affectations to the opposite, does not reward deviation from a very strict path. You MUST do your homework. You MUST turn in term papers on deadline. You MUST study for X number of hours if you hope to pass an exam. You MUST hit certain points in your paper or it will be marked down by the professor. You MUST follow steps x, y and z if you hope to possibly derive answer A. People who do well in these types of formats tend to be cautious, conservative, and terrified of having their heresies discovered. They are risk averse, but ambitious. They are un-creative, but supremely confident that their opinion is correct, even though they would never have the courage to form their own. You can't have that many paradoxes inherent before lay people start pointing them out and distrust forms. The Elite are not Elite. They are strivers not taught to be anything but followers, but convinced of their divine right to rule. If asked to deviate from a script, they flounder.

And it is a script, uzi. There are checklists for getting into Ivy's. Do x number of hours of community service, do y after school activities, score z on your SAT's, play a sport, etc. It has less to do with the student them self, and more to do with the drive of the parent behind them pushing them and shuttling them all over the place between activities. An Ivy education is less a symbol that you yourself are talented, but that your parents understood the game. It tells me who your parents are and what your economic background is. And frankly, I don't care who anyone's parents are or what they've done. I care about the person sitting in the chair across from me fidgeting through an interview. What have they done with their life? Script followers are good for some tasks. They're terrible for others. The fact that the script followers are so convinced of their own supremacy, that they are trying to crowd out everyone else, and force everyone to take their path, is one of the reasons the world is currently falling apart. The world needs more leadership, responsibility and creativity. Looking to academia and their fellow travelers is not the correct path.
Sometimes I want to agree with some things you write but then you sprinkle in stuff like 'I have my opinion before finding a concurrent piece' or forwarding the notion that the point in academia is to provide rules and stifle creativity.

No, Jay. Academia teaches people to walk before they start running. They're supposed to teach you a thing or two about scientific rigour, research methodology, the various analytical models in a given field, epistemiology (which I to no avail tried to explain at length to dilbert at some point) and basic knowledge of or about a certain field etc. All to provide the student with a base from which can be drawn to formulate one's own viewpoints, research and theories. Once the institution deems your understanding sufficient you're free to write whatever you want, as long as there's a logical structure to your research, references make sense and your argument is based on something.

No trail-blazing innovator throughout history made progress in a vacuum. All of them were taught the models scientific thought employed in their times, from Aristoteles to Hawking. They proceeded to master them to only afterwards formulate new, original thinking. The academic learning environment simply brought them up to speed and then stimulated these individuals to do their thing. The whole 'standing on the shoulders of giants' stuff, remember?

I can certainly agree with some of the off commentary above about people treating academia as a checklist, it being increasingly confined to elites and that there's some ruinous conservatism. Nonetheless, the point isn't and never was to produce unthinking drones. It's the complete polar opposite.

As for forming your opinion before reading anything and only looking for articles that affirm your uninformed view, dear me. Scientific method, ever heard of it?
uziq
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SuperJail Warden wrote:

By the way it should be legal to briefly strangle anyone who makes a sincere argument that the virus is a bio-weaoon from China.
i have actually fallen out with my peruvian ex about her weird conspiracy theorising over this. we aren’t talking. it’s embarrassing to me that people can be so susceptible to such ideas.
Dilbert_X
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Jay wrote:

What do you think a senior design project is? It's a capstone that theoretically applies all learned knowledge. A thesis is a formalized research paper that is supposed to perform the same task. I did not do a thesis, I did a design project.
Then you didn't do a real degree in the normal sense of the word, you would have had to do a survey on the current level of knowledge in a subject and then do work to extend further it to do a thesis, not design a fan or whatever you did.
There's nothing wrong with a technologist course, it would probably have suited me better, but a degree it is not.

"Maths grads just plug numbers into formulae"
"Biochemists just throw stuff in test-tubes and see what happens"

Maybe this is what is wrong with America now, no-one has a clue about how the world works or what academics, scientists and engineers do, everyone is arrogant and obnoxious and thinks they're the smartest guy in the room because their dad showed them how to use a torque wrench.

And so we end up with a leader like Trump, who claims he came top of his class and thinks he's a genius because he spent four years at frat parties doing a two year college course in a blancmange subject and has a certificate to prove it, but threatens legal action against release of his transcript.

America's response to the virus has been literally the worst in the world, with two months head start, and Trump's response is the equivalent of watering plants with Brawndo.
"What about malaria drugs? They're drugs right? Can't we try them? Aren't they what viruses crave?"

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uziq wrote:

i have actually fallen out with my peruvian ex about her weird conspiracy theorising over this. we aren’t talking. it’s embarrassing to me that people can be so susceptible to such ideas.
I still think its possible it leaked from a lab, you can bet the Chinese are working on this if only to protect themselves, and they'd weaponise it if they thought they were immune.
Fuck Israel
coke
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uziq wrote:

SuperJail Warden wrote:

By the way it should be legal to briefly strangle anyone who makes a sincere argument that the virus is a bio-weaoon from China.
i have actually fallen out with my peruvian ex about her weird conspiracy theorising over this. we aren’t talking. it’s embarrassing to me that people can be so susceptible to such ideas.
TBF at least the leaked from a lab/bio weapon theory isn't as fucking bat shit crazy as its a plot by Bill Gates or whoever else and its spread and deliberately caused by 5G.
unnamednewbie13
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Boris Johnson: American journalist under fire for saying prime minister being moved to ICU is 'funny'
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl … edium=Feed

An American journalist has caused a storm on Twitter by saying that Prime Minister Boris Johnson’s hospitalisation for coronavirus and transfer to intensive care is “funny.”

In a tweet on Monday afternoon, Ken Klippenstein said: “Boris Johnson called for a bats**t plan that sought to let people get sick and could've killed millions; he bragged about coronavirus not stopping him from shaking people's hands.”

“If you can't understand why some people are gonna find this funny, I don't know what to tell you.”

The tweet drew instant criticism, with much of the reaction referring to both the unpleasant nature of suffering from Covid-19 to the point of needing to be moved to intensive care, and that Mr Johnson’s partner, Carrie Symonds, is pregnant.
Seems like an intentional misread. It seems he said that some people are going to find it funny. I'm pretty sure that some people do find it funny.
uziq
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the british media were fond of posting montages of his 'i've shaken hands with people with coronavirus' speech, segueing into news that he now has coronavirus.

i don't think anyone finds being in ICU funny. being put into an induced coma and having a team of people around you for an hour shoving a tube down your throat is not exactly comedy revue stuff.

in other news, who knew that travel bans specifically on china were misinformed racist tosh? omg!

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unnamednewbie13
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uziq wrote:

i don't think anyone finds being in ICU funny. being put into an induced coma and having a team of people around you for an hour shoving a tube down your throat is not exactly comedy revue stuff.
Optimistically, yeah. But people. Wouldn't be surprised to hear harsh laughter from some individuals I know.
uziq
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i presume they've never been near an ICU.
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Honestly it wouldn't surprise me. But who's to say with some personalities.
Larssen
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Jay wrote:

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diese verdammte lügenpresse!!

What a gem Jay
uziq
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jay is a rugged freethinking libertarian, so he, er, doesn't like it when the press hold power to account. he believes in true democracy, not those phoney elitist snobby versions like in europe where they try to maintain a fourth estate.

meanwhile trump's latest press secretary looks to be a gem.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … ary-quotes

A survey of past remarks and tweets suggests she is perfectly qualified for the job of being his master’s voice – and attacking his nemesis, Barack Obama. For instance, she embraced the original sin of Trumpian politics: birtherism. It is the conspiracy theory that Obama, America’s first black president, was not born in the US but rather in Kenya.

On 29 August 2012, McEnany tweeted: “How I Met Your Brother -- Never mind, forgot he’s still in that hut in Kenya. #ObamaTVShows”.

...

And taking her cue from the president, McEnany played down the threat of the coronavirus. On Trish Regan’s Fox Business Network show in late February, she praised Trump’s partial Chinese travel ban and asserted: “We will not see diseases like the coronavirus come here. And isn’t it refreshing when contrasting it with the awful presidency of President Obama?”

Regan later parted ways with the network after calling the coronavirus an “impeachment scam”. McEnany has been rewarded with a senior job at the White House.

On 28 February, McEnany appeared on Fox News. “What is bad for America is good for Democrats. It’s incredible that they think this way. They root against the stock market. They root for this [coronavirus] to take hold. They have a demented dream of taking down President Trump. It doesn’t matter how many Americans they destroy in order to get there.”
tin-pot republic.
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US nurses who can't get tested fear they are spreading COVID-19 4/9
https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/wo … 0#cxrecs_s

NEW YORK: In New York City, an intensive care nurse treated patients for three days after she started displaying symptoms of COVID-19, but couldn't get a test from her hospital. In Georgia, a nurse was denied a test after treating an infected patient who died.

In Michigan, one of the few hospital systems conducting widespread staff testing found that more than 700 workers were infected with the coronavirus - more than a quarter of those tested.

More than a month after the pandemic hit the United States, the persistent test shortages mean that health workers are treating patients while experiencing mild symptoms that could signal they are infected themselves, according to Reuters interviews with 13 nurses and two doctors who described testing shortages at their hospitals.

Many medical centres are testing only the workers with the most severe symptoms, according to the frontline workers and hospital officials. As a result, nurses and doctors risk infecting patients, colleagues and their families without knowing they are carrying the virus, medical experts say.

cont'd
More of Jay's cowards, probably.
uziq
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A doctor who warned the prime minister that health workers urgently needed more PPE has died after being diagnosed with Covid-19.

Abdul Mabud Chowdhury, 53, passed away after 15 days in hospital.
a very high proportion of the senior surgeons and doctors who have died on front-line duties battling coronavirus in the UK have been british-asian descent.

remember that the next time dilbert starts banging on about how his beloved roofers and plumbers are 'entitled' to be xenophobes.
coke
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uziq wrote:

A doctor who warned the prime minister that health workers urgently needed more PPE has died after being diagnosed with Covid-19.

Abdul Mabud Chowdhury, 53, passed away after 15 days in hospital.
a very high proportion of the senior surgeons and doctors who have died on front-line duties battling coronavirus in the UK have been british-asian descent.

remember that the next time dilbert starts banging on about how his beloved roofers and plumbers are 'entitled' to be xenophobes.
Bloody foreigners coming over here taking our Consultant and Surgeons jobs.
SuperJail Warden
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What happened to American Protestantism that made them reject fundamental parts of their religion once COVID came around?

Evangelical churches across the country are fighting tooth and nail to stay open during the crisis. The Catholic Church meanwhile shut down everywhere by orders of Rome. Protestants always argued that you don't need a church to have a personal relationship with God.
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