Presidential Election 2016

2020-07-06 10:36:56

#5776

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5625|London, England

Well, when you get enough lobbyist money in the pot, it's a good sign that there is money to be made off the breakup. That seems to be when our government intervenes.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-07-06 10:39:41

#5777

uziq: Member; +498|3719

a libertarian in support of plutocracy and oligopolies. interesting.

2020-07-06 10:41:03

#5778

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3986

I think you just don't like having to pay for ESPN. Everything less is superfluous

2020-07-06 11:11:15

#5779

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5625|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
I think you just don't like having to pay for ESPN. Everything less is superfluous

It's all subjective, that's why. How do you calculate harm vs good? Who is harmed? Who is helped? What are the unforeseen consequences of breaking up a monopoly? Is the monopoly really harmful or will its replacement actually be harmful? It's all very much lodged in a moral gray area.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-07-06 11:16:02

#5780

uziq: Member; +498|3719

i thought you were against relativism and the eroding of concrete values and standards? i thought that was leftist cultural marxist shit?

now 'it's all subjective'? isn't that the clarion call of dangerous french theorists at ivy league colleges?

'i believe in this -- until it's complicated by something, and it's convenient for me, then i believe in its opposite. I'm a textbook libertarian'.

Last edited by uziq (2020-07-06 11:17:08)

2020-07-06 11:18:41

#5781

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3986

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
I think you just don't like having to pay for ESPN. Everything less is superfluous
It's all subjective, that's why. How do you calculate harm vs good? Who is harmed? Who is helped? What are the unforeseen consequences of breaking up a monopoly? Is the monopoly really harmful or will its replacement actually be harmful? It's all very much lodged in a moral gray area.

One universally agreed upon fact by everyone here is that you only see what effect something has on you and then justify it ex post facto.

2020-07-06 11:58:03

#5782

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5625|London, England

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
I think you just don't like having to pay for ESPN. Everything less is superfluous
It's all subjective, that's why. How do you calculate harm vs good? Who is harmed? Who is helped? What are the unforeseen consequences of breaking up a monopoly? Is the monopoly really harmful or will its replacement actually be harmful? It's all very much lodged in a moral gray area.
One universally agreed upon fact by everyone here is that you only see what effect something has on you and then justify it ex post facto.

Yeah, that's because you're all a bunch of twits that really don't have any idea what you're arguing about. uzi gets his ideas second hand from some faculty lounge he once visited, dilbert hasn't had an updated idea since approximately 1998 and you, while you've got a good memory, have applied it on stupid shit. Sometimes you let slip stuff that makes me think you actually understand more than you do. Like, I get a glimpse and I'm like wow, there's something there, he actually understands the political side of the argument he's making, and then I realize it's something you picked up on a reddit forum and you didn't really understand what you were repeating, or if you really do, you just can't break character long enough to have a genuine conversation.

I've spent the past ten years arguing with people who haven't taken any time to understand my position except as a caricature, and who have built up narratives that let them dismiss whatever I say out of hand. If I cared about universal agreement I would've left a long time ago. I'm only ever been here to argue a point of view.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2020-07-06 12:26:52

#5783

Superior Mind: (not macbeth); +1,755|6959

Jay wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Jay wrote:

It's all subjective, that's why. How do you calculate harm vs good? Who is harmed? Who is helped? What are the unforeseen consequences of breaking up a monopoly? Is the monopoly really harmful or will its replacement actually be harmful? It's all very much lodged in a moral gray area.
One universally agreed upon fact by everyone here is that you only see what effect something has on you and then justify it ex post facto.
Yeah, that's because you're all a bunch of twits that really don't have any idea what you're arguing about. uzi gets his ideas second hand from some faculty lounge he once visited, dilbert hasn't had an updated idea since approximately 1998 and you, while you've got a good memory, have applied it on stupid shit. Sometimes you let slip stuff that makes me think you actually understand more than you do. Like, I get a glimpse and I'm like wow, there's something there, he actually understands the political side of the argument he's making, and then I realize it's something you picked up on a reddit forum and you didn't really understand what you were repeating, or if you really do, you just can't break character long enough to have a genuine conversation.

I've spent the past ten years arguing with people who haven't taken any time to understand my position except as a caricature, and who have built up narratives that let them dismiss whatever I say out of hand. If I cared about universal agreement I would've left a long time ago. I'm only ever been here to argue a point of view.

Aren’t we all caricatures of ourselves here? I’ve done more lurking that posting in d&st over the years and I gotta say, there’s never been, between anyone, a decent conversation. It’s a sparring room for ideas we don’t get to chew on enough with others irl, and that’s ok. There’s just a limit to what can be conveyed through digital copy and memes.

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2020-07-06 12:31:07

#5784

uziq: Member; +498|3719

i went to a very conservative and right-wing traditional university. it was actually during my time one of the hotbeds of UKIP activism, way pre-brexit and when even nigel farage was a minor and unknown figure. the demographic are heavily privately educated, heavily gentry, heavily home counties/southern; tory heartlands, basically.

seeing as you like telling me how divorced i am from american culture, you'd be well to note that 'faculty lounges' (lol) in british universities are not exactly hotbeds of american liberal-type progressivism. literature and humanities in general are known as being very 'trad'. social sciences faculties are far more likely to have fashionable and continental theories.

2020-07-06 12:33:09

#5785

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7038|PNW

Jay of all people lecturing us about how we don't understand the politics of our political argumentation and just parrot ideas we mindlessly picked up elsewhere.

I wonder what "Tyler Durden" has been up to as of late.

2020-07-06 12:39:13

#5786

uziq: Member; +498|3719

and, yes, jay has adopted a typical right-wing rhetorical stance/position of being 'the beleaguered and under assault' one. they feed off this 'one against all', 'everyone mindlessly ganging up on me' thing. it can't possibly be because their thinking is risible or has more holes and inconsistencies than swiss cheese. nope.

2020-07-06 12:41:30

#5787

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,054|7038|PNW

I'm only ever been here to argue a point of view.

lmao

2020-07-06 12:49:50

#5788

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3986

History majors are more often than not right wing. A lot of people who like reading about wars and stuff. Political Science? Too many people major in political science because they don't know what to do or someone tells them they can be a lawyer one day or something. Social Justice Warriors tend to go into things like Women's Studies, African/Latino/Asian Studies, LGBTQ Studies (that's a thing, right?), and Social Work. I respect all majors except business majors. There's a lot to say about those people.

2020-07-06 12:53:38

#5789

uziq: Member; +498|3719

traditional literature departments are full of tweedy dons and semi-racist old men. it's not exactly pink-haired butch radical feminist territories. even the junior academics who are in their 30s or 40s quickly adopt the sort of reserved, arch, donnish mien. it's not at all some progressive handwringing liberal environment.

funny how jay complains about us being nitwits but then spreads national review-level stereotypes about college campuses. jay, a guy who has never been on a college campus and got his education from a repurposed prison fort.

2020-07-06 12:59:37

#5790

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3986

The liberals arts subsidize engineering majors. I didn't need a lab or complex machinery to learn about Imperial Russia. Still paid retard tuition. Commuter students who tend to be lower income also subsidize students who can afford to live on campus and are higher income.

There is a lot to be upset about in the whole system. Social Justice Warriors trying to rip down statues are the least of the system's problems. The right wing focuses in on the wrong thing. I don't think they necessarily care about lower income students getting shafted by the system.

2020-07-06 13:01:25

#5791

RTHKI: mmmf mmmf mmmf; +1,742|7004|Cinncinatti

SuperJail Warden wrote:
Too many people major in political science because they don't know what to do o.

My poli sci wasn't too crowded. Everyone with no major was automatically put into business undecided

2020-07-06 13:04:30

#5792

SuperJail Warden: Gone Forever; +644|3986

RTHKI wrote:
SuperJail Warden wrote:
Too many people major in political science because they don't know what to do o.
My poli sci wasn't too crowded. Everyone with no major was automatically put into business undecided

You went to a private college that shares a name with some boiler makers school. I would expect your school to have it together better and have a better prepared class of people than a state college in checks notes New Jersey.

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2020-07-06 13:07:17