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2006-06-20 10:12:25
slothpussie
Member
+1|7339
I used to do a lot of commanding.

Until I realized how crappy the score could be, especially if I ended up with a bunch of losers with zero/negative scores on the team.

The commander scoring system should motivate the commander to do two things:

(a)  Command.  Not drive around in a tank.  Not fly.  Not snipe.  Command.
(b)  Want to win.

Right now, the smartest thing to do is to half-ass command, and get your kills in.  I've used command as my personal UAV/Supply/Arty resource, and just run and capped bases.  It works pretty well, you get a bunch of points. 

Then you drop command before the end of the match.  You get your normal score then, not the average (or x2 average) of the team.

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Commander scoring should be:

Win:  (average score) + highest score, either side
Lose:  (average score)

IMO, the commander, if they do a good job, should score higher than the jet/chopper/tank whore.
2006-06-20 10:14:05
Simon
basically
+838|7273|UK
lol imagine Firesstorms score if this was already happening..

That is a good idea but i think the commanders would get so many points in a round like 300+ on 64man.. that would bring the BR up and they would get bannedddedd by the Ea nubz

Last edited by simon (2006-06-20 10:14:23)

2006-06-20 10:15:27
xX[Elangbam]Xx
Member
+107|7313
Commander scoring should be:

Win:  (average score) + highest score, either side
Lose:  (average score)

IMO, the commander, if they do a good job, should score higher than the jet/chopper/tank whore.
wtf, what if the whore got 250 points. add that on? yeah, commanders don't do much anyway except for supply crates, uav and vehicle drops.
2006-06-20 10:16:10
jkohlc
2142th Whore
+214|7142|Singapore
and commander would get almost 500+ per round
2006-06-20 10:17:09
fierce
I love [fiSh]
+167|7183

slothpussie wrote:

Right now, the smartest thing to do is to half-ass command, and get your kills in.  I've used command as my personal UAV/Supply/Arty resource, and just run and capped bases.  It works pretty well, you get a bunch of points. 

Then you drop command before the end of the match.  You get your normal score then, not the average (or x2 average) of the team.
Regarding the fact, that your kills/teamscore doesn't count for your commanderscore and if you resign from commander, you still get the commanderscore and nothing else.

And about your commander work, i'll be glad to call a mutiny on you everytime i'll see this noob-o-manding.
2006-06-20 10:17:11
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7371|United States of America
No! It's bad enough that these commanders already sit around and do nothing.  Those actually fighting the battle should be the ones rewarded, not the commander who puts arty in the middle of the ocean and puts supplies on the enemy tank (this is what a commander has done!) It's already crap that they can get a higher score than you for just sitting in the tank with supplies.  This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard.  Yeah, its good when you're commander, but does it really help you to want to win? Not really, your team can do that on its own.  I hate commanders just sitting around watching the fight, they need to help their troops more, or go fight with them while the troops get what they need!
2006-06-20 10:17:19
l41e
Member
+677|7263

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

Commander scoring should be:

Win:  (average score) + highest score, either side
Lose:  (average score)

IMO, the commander, if they do a good job, should score higher than the jet/chopper/tank whore.
wtf, what if the whore got 250 points. add that on? yeah, commanders don't do much anyway except for supply crates, uav and vehicle drops.
Then you play with bad commanders...bad commanders do not equal all commanders...
2006-06-20 10:17:51
nieker
THE FLYING DUTCH PENGUIN, THE NINTENDO PENGUIN
+191|7242|The Netherlands
then envry bud wana be comendor
2006-06-20 10:20:45
fierce
I love [fiSh]
+167|7183

k30dxedle wrote:

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

Commander scoring should be:

Win:  (average score) + highest score, either side
Lose:  (average score)

IMO, the commander, if they do a good job, should score higher than the jet/chopper/tank whore.
wtf, what if the whore got 250 points. add that on? yeah, commanders don't do much anyway except for supply crates, uav and vehicle drops.
Then you play with bad commanders...bad commanders do not equal all commanders...
I second that, if a commander only drops uav/supplies/vehicles he isn't a good commander.
2006-06-20 10:21:50
xX[Elangbam]Xx
Member
+107|7313

k30dxedle wrote:

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

Commander scoring should be:

Win:  (average score) + highest score, either side
Lose:  (average score)

IMO, the commander, if they do a good job, should score higher than the jet/chopper/tank whore.
wtf, what if the whore got 250 points. add that on? yeah, commanders don't do much anyway except for supply crates, uav and vehicle drops.
Then you play with bad commanders...bad commanders do not equal all commanders...
a commander can only do so much. it doesn't matter whether hes good or not.

the one thing that seperates a commander from those that he "orders" around is that:

he can:

drop vehicles, supply drops, arty, put uav and scan.

I'm not saying commanders are obsolete, i'm just saying that the commander scoring is fine as it is. Its the average of the team. I'm also saying, that alot of times someone has taken the commander position and has only answered to requests and did nothing else and got 1st place plenty of times to get everyone pissed off.

Last edited by xX[Elangbam]Xx (2006-06-20 10:25:57)

2006-06-20 10:29:01
XIthRyker
Member
+7|7269
when i command i always support gun or i am support or medic helping out my teamates. i usually try not to get into proper hard fighiting unless i'm with a shit team.
2006-06-20 10:29:16
bubbass
humble
+61|7184

xX[Elangbam]Xx wrote:

a commander can only do so much. it doesn't matter whether hes good or not.

I'm not saying commanders are obsolete, i'm just saying that the commander scoring is fine as it is. Its the average of the team. I'm also saying, that alot of times someone has taken the commander position and has only answered to requests and did nothing else and got 1st place plenty of times to get everyone pissed off.
I agree. It's hard to command when you're in the heat of the battle or you're dead.
2006-06-20 10:47:36
E7IX3R
is drunk and crazy
+216|7303|UK
most commanders dont even know that dropping supply crates on assets repairs them, or how to spot enemies with the scan.

Most commanders just spot them whilst the scan is still going, you have to do it when its faded away
2006-06-20 11:30:39
slothpussie
Member
+1|7339
fyi... Most of my commanding is not static.  I will grab a jeep at the beginning of a round, since the only thing I can call is UAV anyway.  I'll jet to a back flag and cap it, preferably the enemy commander's flag.  (I do this when not commanding anyway).

From that point, I will sit there, C4 that guy's resources, and defend that flag.  I will mostly stay in commander screen at the point, only leaving to C4 again, or kill guys trying to take that flag.

If you command full time, including spotting and issuing commands, there isn't a lot of time to do anything else.   Most of the time I need to find a good hidey spot, and camp there.

I prefer to play on maps where the commander is spotting and dropping full time, and paying attention to stuff.  A good commander will use the zoom to spot troops without the scan, and spot them.   I love commanders that respond to "spot on my loc, plz".  They can zoom and see the little ant men trying to kill me.

IMO, a good commander needs to be stationary 95% to do all that.

So... I think they should get a better score, and not be punished for guys who join a server near the end and have no score. 

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If the motivation to command and win (emphasis on winning) was HUGE... then ya... everybody would want to be commander.  Just like everybody wants to get the chopper/jet/tank... because it rocks.   That's a Good Thing(tm).

Right now... I'd rather have the chopper or tank.  I like seeing my score at/near the top.  So... I've given up commanding for a bit (I'm also trying to get the badge that requires 100h of squad member time...., I've been leader/commander/solo, but not that)
2006-06-20 11:42:16
Sin-nisterMinister
You have been blessed... with my rifle!
+43|7211|Bellmawr, NJ, US
So what you're saying is, you are not a good commander?  Cuz what you just described as a good commander and what you do as commander are two different things.

I don't like to command.  I am a ground pounder.  But when I do command I do it exclusively, issue orders if my team sucks and needs direction, always give resources when asked (if they're available).
2006-06-20 11:51:19
[1stSSF]=Nuka=
Banned
+23|7365|PDX Metro Area, OR, US, SOL
Wow...in my experience, it's difficult/impossible to command WELL actively...

Worse, if no one is in squads, what else CAN you do other than UAV, resources, etc.? You can't order indiviDUHals...

If there are squads, I'll command...if I join as a commander it's because NO ONE ELSE has...
2006-06-20 12:10:49
InviSniper
The first true Sniper.
+95|7259|Cumberland, MD, USA
My idea is to average the top 2 scores of the team and give them to the Commander (79 on MEC and 94 on MEC gives Commander 86.5, 100 on USMC and 99 on USMC gives Commander 99.5, etc...), but then of course give them the 2X bonus if the team wins by a fair margin, by, say more than 50. If they win by less, no 2X bonus.

As for Commander's in combat, sometimes it is needed; if there's not many people in the game, then combat Commanding is necassary. I myself have armor specialized in the tank while Commanding before, but only becuase no one was using it. I usually just take the tank up to the front lines and give it to anyone that wants it, but if no one takes it and it just sits there empty I'm not letting the other team get ahold of it.
2006-06-20 12:52:39
AlphaMale
AKA <{SoE}>Agamemnar
+16|7141
The commander score is fucked. If they actually counted as Global instead of counting for jack I would have 100k more global points and be a fucking general already with a much higher SPM.


But as it is stands it's like the 70k commander points I have don't count for anything.

 

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