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2005-11-14 10:36:41
BladeRunner
Member
+5|7017|UK
I mainly used the UAV to alert troops before I read the fine article on this forum about being a commander. Then I started pointing out loads of stuff I picked up on the scan.
I've noticed the subject crop up in a couple of posts now, so....

How much should the commander spot 'n' stuff?

Do you prefer to constantly be updated as to where everything is?
Do you prefer the commander to keep his fat mouth off the airways?
Or do you choose something else equaly relevant?

?

2005-11-14 10:39:37
Michael82
Member
+4|7050|Copenhagen, Denmark
I don't mind a commander who gives out info on enemies close to ally troops. I don't want him to call the 10 units in they base since it's irrelevant.

I had a good commander the other day though. He scanned, gave orders and what not, but he didn't give me orders cause he saw me attacking all the time. So he kept UAVing the places i was. That was nice, and i got alot of flags that day

EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming

Last edited by Michael82 (2005-11-14 10:40:36)

2005-11-14 10:43:08
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7110|Cologne, Germany

Michael82 wrote:

I don't mind a commander who gives out info on enemies close to ally troops. I don't want him to call the 10 units in they base since it's irrelevant.

I had a good commander the other day though. He scanned, gave orders and what not, but he didn't give me orders cause he saw me attacking all the time. So he kept UAVing the places i was. That was nice, and i got alot of flags that day

EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming
don't worry, michael. you are doing just fine. people are feeling strongly about some issues here, and sometimes discussions get a bit heated. but it's all in good spirit

rgds,
B.
2005-11-14 10:44:07
Bubkin
Pay It Forward
+8|7050
I love it when a commander spots for me. I am always looking at my mini-map.

It seems like over half the time I spot when I'm commander it gets ignored. Even when I'm spoting something virtually right on top of my teammate. Those are the times when I wonder if it's worth it or not.

Then again, there are those rare players that actually listen to the commander. Those are a absolute joy to spot/uav/supply for.
2005-11-14 10:44:28
Kelesh
Member
+0|7014
Yeah, as long as whatever you spot is relevant and a threat to your guys, definitely spot it out.  But if it's someone sitting a mile away from everything, like on a carrier, for instance, then it's not worth spotting.
2005-11-14 10:44:47
Michael82
Member
+4|7050|Copenhagen, Denmark

B.Schuss wrote:

Michael82 wrote:

I don't mind a commander who gives out info on enemies close to ally troops. I don't want him to call the 10 units in they base since it's irrelevant.

I had a good commander the other day though. He scanned, gave orders and what not, but he didn't give me orders cause he saw me attacking all the time. So he kept UAVing the places i was. That was nice, and i got alot of flags that day

EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming
don't worry, michael. you are doing just fine. people are feeling strongly about some issues here, and sometimes discussions get a bit heated. but it's all in good spirit

rgds,
B.
Hehe don't worry . I don't take anything personally . It's not like they are gonna be banging on my door and wanting to take me for a ride to the forrest for a "talk"
2005-11-14 10:52:02
Dassador
Member
+0|7012|Europe => Czech Republic
I prefer when the commander tells me where someone is around me and thats it. When I play as a commander I  usually just point out enemy who is close to my guys, not enemies that are on the other side of the man where none of my guys are, well only for armors and cars, when I see something moving fast I report it so my team get eready for it.
2005-11-14 11:10:59
atlvolunteer
PKMMMMMMMMMM
+27|7040|Atlanta, GA USA
Personally, I think the commander should point out all enemies that are:
1. Near friendly troops
2. Attempting to cap a friendly base
3. Heading for friendly assets or jets
Other than that, if an enemy is out in the middle of nowhere, it doesn't really help to know that they are there (unless they are the last people left alive on the enemy side).  On the other hand, if they are snipers, someone might find the info useful.  Hmmm.
2005-11-14 11:18:41
BladeRunner
Member
+5|7017|UK

Michael82 wrote:

EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming
i can't take the credit...it was a post by a guy called Michael82 that sparked it off
2005-11-14 11:22:30
Tigg@lot
noob on tour
+1|7043|NRW,Germany

atlvolunteer wrote:

Personally, I think the commander should point out all enemies that are:
1. Near friendly troops
2. Attempting to cap a friendly base
3. Heading for friendly assets or jets
Other than that, if an enemy is out in the middle of nowhere, it doesn't really help to know that they are there (unless they are the last people left alive on the enemy side).  On the other hand, if they are snipers, someone might find the info useful.  Hmmm.
Amen! That´s exactly what I spot when I´m commander. And as long as I see everything goes well I won´t give orders except there are free bases nobody wants to cap although they´re close.
2005-11-14 11:28:42
DesertEagle357
Attends Shock Paddlers Anonymous
+1|7061
Spot the enemies who are isolated and going to the unguarded back flags...simple
2005-11-14 11:33:07
Malo
Member
+0|7040

Bubkin wrote:

Then again, there are those rare players that actually listen to the commander. Those are a absolute joy to spot/uav/supply for.
Hehe i love commander helper monkies, lol and when you dont give them commands every five minutes you get a little ! i love that
2005-11-14 11:35:54
Bogardanzero
Member
+0|7014
As a commander I spot
1.  Enemies close to friendlies
2.  Enemies capping bases
3.  Incoming vehicles
2005-11-14 11:38:25
beeng
Get C4, here!
+66|7055

Whatever you do, DO NOT blab over VoIP constantly.  I can't stand commanders who feel I need to know what they had for lunch, what position they drilled thier girlfriend with last night, or what coloured pants they are wearing... I DO NOT CARE!  I wish there was a mute button so I could shut these idiots up.
2005-11-14 11:39:56
CMDR_Dave
Redneck
+66|7110|Missoula, MT
You can...go to MANAGE at the bottom of the players screen.  I think you can X out whatever player you don't want to listen to.  Should work for Commanders too. 
2005-11-14 11:43:04
beeng
Get C4, here!
+66|7055

CMDR_Dave wrote:

You can...go to MANAGE at the bottom of the players screen.  I think you can X out whatever player you don't want to listen to.  Should work for Commanders too. 
indeed, unfortunately said commanders usually give orders through voip too... argh!
same with dumbass squad commanders who yell "TANK!" through voip.  Where is the tank? WHO KNOWS!!!
2005-11-14 11:51:05
thinner44
Member
+1|7078
Too much chatter can be distracting, too little can often be fatal, that's the delicate balance you have to find. I don't envy those that are commanding and it's not a position I've held. I often 'spot' an incoming if there's no commander chatter at the point of CP, he's probably elsewhere.... I admire the good commanders and I sympathise with the ones that are just getting to grips with it... all in all, it's about your own judgement, do what you think is best I'll be happy with that

Michael82 wrote:
EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming

It was never personal, hot and heavy, but never personal and I thought you handled it extremly well
2005-11-14 12:19:16
Michael82
Member
+4|7050|Copenhagen, Denmark

BladeRunner wrote:

Michael82 wrote:

EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming
i can't take the credit...it was a post by a guy called Michael82 that sparked it off
Bah... i will kill you (in game offcourse . IRL i would buy you a beer cause of your humor )

thinner44 wrote:

Michael82 wrote:
EDIT: BTW good thread, been thinking of making one myself, but still recovering from the last set of flaming

It was never personal, hot and heavy, but never personal and I thought you handled it extremly well
Why thank you .
2005-11-14 14:24:00
RKF77
Member
+1|7019

BladeRunner wrote:

Do you prefer to constantly be updated as to where everything is?
Do you prefer the commander to keep his fat mouth off the airways?
Or do you choose something else equaly relevant?
Commanders that feel the need to locate EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY TROOP on the map AFTER EVERY SINGLE SCAN make my nuts itch.  Who gives a shit if there's a sniper thumbing his sack 500m away from the closest spawn?  Do we REALLY need to get enemies currently on a UAV spotted also?  FOR GOD'S SAKE, WE SEE THEM!!  Ten guys at a back base waiting for the helo to spawn?  Completely unimportant.  Spot the helo when it gets up, and screw the 8 guys that it left behind.

When I command, I spot enemies that are approaching friendly troops that are not on the UAV, or spot enemies I see moving to take a spawn.  I also type in where they're headed.  I will always spot jets and helos, since friendly air assets can locate them easier.  I will not go through and spot every single possible enemy, only the ones relevant to the battles going on at the time.

Another thing I won't do is send a two-man squad to try and re-take a spawn crawling with 40 enemies, like so many commanders like to do.  The other night my friend was sniper and I was support on Mashtuur, and about 8 MEC troops (with a tank and two Vodniks) rolled into a spawn we were close to.  Our illustrious Commander couldn't figure out why we wouldn't jump down from our perch and charge into the fray.
2005-11-14 15:05:41
Dr.Battlefield
Got milk?
+150|7021
I dont call everyone..if I see on the scan that there are alot of enemies easier to put UAV. I call only lone points cuz often its a sniper or armor unit + I call everyone if someone is capturing our flag but UAV is airborne. Also I call all armor units in order to guide our helicopters on it Hmm I guess thats it. Oh yea I call everyone around our main force group when UAV is destroyed, cuz ppl ask about it...
2005-11-14 15:29:47
SNIPMIKE
Fire In The Hole!!!!!!
+1|7018|Orlando, FL
Call out lone wolf snipers, UAV squads capping points.  That all I could ask.
2005-11-14 15:30:33
Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7012|Reality
As Commander I always point out armor for the flyboys regardless of where they are, this usually means armor no longer a problem. That is if your pilots/gunners are any good. The chopper gunner is able to hit almost anywhere on the map if they stick to the middle (gotta love the 650m range on those hellfires!)

UAV is for the best squad
Artillery is for the slackers because they need motivation to get the lead out of their asses. It is always fun to chase your team across the map usin gthe arty!

Supplies are for me. gotta keep myself supplied with beer.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
2005-11-14 15:32:56
pogled
Member
+0|7047|Europe
Commanders, on the other hand, would find it easier sometimes if the squad leaders (when not following orders and going on their own) would point out their inteded targets on the map via the "attack this, defend that feature". Then you can spot enemies using the scans even BEFORE the squad gets there (hoping to give the squad leaders a clearer picture what they are heading for - provided that the squad leader consultes his map before attacking into the blue).
Usually, I too spot for a Squad manually (zoom) or by satellitescan if I receive a request for UAV overflight while UAV is deployed elsewhere.
Every third (or so) scan i tend to report a general picture of the enemy's movements/positions for those soldiers out there intelligent enough to take a look at the map befor trying somtehing funny.* All the other times it's just fast moving targets (vehicles/chargign infatry) and super-stationaries (snipers).

*"trying something funny" remindes me of a match where, when I ordered a Squad repeatedly to attack a flag only guarded by a single soldier,  those dumb f*s refused to comply to the order and tried to cap a flag instead that was guarded by 2 APCs and infantry. They tried twice, with me marking the enemies and redirecting them, each time i found out what they were up to.
To no avail - I gave it up on their third try and got back  to help the other squads who were not that keen to die a hero's death.

Last edited by pogled (2005-11-14 15:37:42)

2005-11-14 15:43:18
Kriznik
Member
+0|7040

beeng wrote:

CMDR_Dave wrote:

You can...go to MANAGE at the bottom of the players screen.  I think you can X out whatever player you don't want to listen to.  Should work for Commanders too. 
indeed, unfortunately said commanders usually give orders through voip too... argh!
same with dumbass squad commanders who yell "TANK!" through voip.  Where is the tank? WHO KNOWS!!!
if you KNOW (and you have to have) WHERE is your squad leader >>> you KNOW where tank is

but... many people join my squad and going to another side of the map or doing absolutly other thinks than orders are...

so for that annoying type of players i joined AsBo clan and we play perfectly together with voip / ts playing organised (i commanding often... etc.)

so if you want play BF2 good and if you want good feel from real teamplay > go and find some good bunch of people and join their clan or whatever

if you like playing alone > dont join squad or create squad ... so you wont listen commader

howg

sorry for my english
2005-11-14 15:52:04
IronGeek
One Shot, One Kill
+4|7062|Canberra, Australia
If my UAV expires I like to continue to help the troops attacking a base by continueing to spot the area for them.

 

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