BF2S Forums Karkland Haters?

OK... BIG P 66 KARKAND... I got it. simple mistake -no need for names.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Why does Karkland seem to be the brunt of such hate?  I've seen that some love it and hate it.  It's not my favorite map.  I'll play it when I get pissed at someone in a J-10 peeing all over the carrier keeping everyone from making it to land on the wake map.    I enjoy the Peninsula map more when I want to play a city map.  But it seems that the Kark maps are usually full especially for 32 or 64 size servers...   Just curious.

ITS Karkand FFS not KArkland

TurDlich wrote:

I have spent a lot of time on karkand...I love the huge infantry battles without jets running up your ass all the time.  After a while it gets old.  Same shit, different day.  At first, it was awesome having all these targets to shoot, grenade, and heal...but then its like you hit bf puberty, and those things aren't enough fun anymore.  I dropped karkand like a hot rock when I bought SF.

I love being in the action all the time, so the vanilla maps can get a bit boring for me.  Drive to action, die.  Drive to action, kill 1 guy, die.  Action is where you spawn, kill 1 guy, die.  Walk to closest enemy base, sneak around, kill 1 guy, take the flag, arty.  Too much time spent looking at the spawn screen and being behind the wheel.

SF is where the real inf. action is.  The fighting is condensed, but the maps are still large enough for choppers and transport to be necessary.

/my 2 cents

Totally agree with you. I dropped Vanilla for that very reason.  Spawn, die, spawn, drive, die.  At least with Special Forces, you have a chance to kill people.  Plus, theirs hardly ever any plane/heli/armor campers in SF so everybody's contributing. 

I used to think Karkand was great back in the day. But after the same recycled garbage, i left it behind for bigger and better things (Warlord).

I don't hate it, it's a good map, pretty well rounded depsite the normal inbalance of mec and the US, but it's just boring now that most servers play it...

cablecopulate wrote:

Karkand is the de_dust of bf2.

And again de_dust was an over played over rated, boring repetitive map. de_dust2 was much better, had more things to do and better battles, kind of like sharqi or warlord.

Crispin wrote:

Not trying to but heads its just a matter of an opinion we only run the 32 man version of it so only two tanks and one apc, i don't know where you've been playing but tactics are a must for any map in any game to over come the enemy team, i like karkand as i said above the team play my buddies and myself use and the tactics we use.

I hardly spend the entire map at hotel as USMC you just have to be organized to take it, and do we whore tanks!? NO, we are ground pounders its called flanking the sides not flanking to Factory/Gatehouse but flanking between hotel/square then have another squad hitting them from the front to take it.

So i don't know where you get the map is liner, to the un experienced players maybe but not to players with common sense.

I can agree that the map shouldn't be as linear as it is and there are valid tactics that can be used, It just never happens, and why?? Well i could just say there all noobs and cant play (which they are). But the fundamental problem is there is little incentive to capture flags as i pointed out. You only need 2 to stop ticket bleed, so if MEC has already lost one they can afford to lose 6 more with no penalty's, If USMC has captured one they don't NEED to capture any more (Even on Iron Gator, the hardest assault map you need to capture 2 flags to stop Ticket bleed or hold 4 to start it in your opposition). This results in people all going to the one place where they can get the most points the quickest, which is the 'front' between the next flag and the one just captured. hotel > square > suburb > train accident > gatehouse/cement factory > factory (a little less linear on the eastern island).

The intelligent few who go and flank the opposition are not adequately rewarded for there efforts in the terms of points. And as much and many people will argue most play to get points, be it for ranks or just because they enjoy seeing there stats improve and them at the top of the leader board (and I don't blame them). When i play karkand I also am one close to the action, I'm usually first to the fight, but what you call tactics

flanking the sides not flanking to Factory/Gatehouse but flanking between hotel/square

I call common sense. Where ever it is on the map its suicide to run straight at your objective. Again about you NOT whoring tanks is irrelevant because only a few in the map can, and by whore i don't mean use, i mean spawn rape infantry and hide from anything remotely dangerous like the other armor and TOW placements.

TheCanadianTerrorist wrote:

Stop bitching about point whoring in Karkand, just because you suck at infantry. Mashtuur can't compair to Karkand/Sharqi infantry fights.

Firstly it was far less of a 'bitch' as an informed detailed reason as to why karkand is not a well designed map and how people play it using my 140 or so hours of experience which incidentally is much more then you.
Secondly sharqi is my favourite map, i was just pointing out that if you don't like 'heavy' vehicles mashtuur is the best map for that.
And thirdly I would hardly say I suck at infantry. But any idiot can deduce 'I' must be crap at infantry because I happen to see the flaws in what could be a much better map.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2006-08-03 20:04:56)

Karkand is okay... there are so many doin the wal hack that really pisses lot of ppl of.

I hate the people who hate it because of the "tank whoring".  Like its the only map with fucking tanks.  And like its the only map with tank whores.

I like karkand, cant stand a 24/7 server of it anymore, but I enjoy it in the rotation.

I hate the grenade spamming in the first... 10 minutes, but Im not gonna piss about it, I'll throw them back.

Sharqi owns.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

Why does Karkand seem to be the brunt of such hate?  I've seen that some love it and hate it.  It's not my favorite map.  I'll play it when I get pissed at someone in a J-10 peeing all over the carrier keeping everyone from making it to land on the wake map.    I enjoy the Peninsula map more when I want to play a city map.  But it seems that the Kark maps are usually full especially for 32 or 64 size servers...   Just curious.

CHANGED Karkland to Karkand -reluctantly.

Put choppers in it and ill play it!!! Good BYE TAnK WhOrEs

BigmacK192 wrote:

I play it because the tactics needed to survive in urban combat have always intrigued me.

get lost mate...there are absolutely no tactics involved in karkand whatsoever, its just about who can get the most points from their various methods of whoring before the round ends

people people. for all those who love infantry battles youre playing the wrong game. SF is where the infantry fights are. all maps but surge imho will have way better infantry fights then karkand ever will. if ea was smart they would not put that new infantry only mod in. they would say thats what SF was for. and dam it. that is what SF is for. you want infantry fights? play SF!!!!

SF FTW!!!

DrunkFace wrote:

7. Apart from all that there are just so many better maps to play. The ONE major reason why so many people play it, is EASY points. Dont bull shit me with infantry fights are the best becasue mashtuur city has a total of 2 tanks both of which you can lose if you lose there spawn point making it the only map which you can play with no vehicle stronger then a transport (due to BH nerf), making it the most infantry friendly map in existance. Why isnt it played as much? Because you will never score as high on it and you cant just whore points or you will lose, you must actually try and win (WHAT A FUCKING SHOCK)!!.

Lets say this game had no stats / points. I would still play on karkland exclusivly because I love the frequent infantry fights. I play karkland for the same reason I played  DC_LOSTVILLAGE in the days of Desert Combat. mashtuur city is not better for infantry combat imo. As others have said Warlord is probably the best infantry map, but I'm not really sure as I have only played 1 hour on it. There are no warlord only servers in my area.....

Last edited by aLi3nZ (2006-08-04 05:44:03)