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I'm a white man.  When I was at school I there were 3 Indian kids and 1 black kid. Only one of which was in my year.  The town I live in has very few Blacks, there are quite a few Asian people now. 
I have had very little contact with people of other races (Is other races the correct term ???). I do not consider myself racist but I am ALWAYS conscious of what I say to people (It has taken me 20 min to write this so far because I keep changing what I write, so fuck it I'm gonna write this how I think it). 
I would love to sit down with people from all races and be able to have an open conversation with them, I think what I'm typing makes me sound racist, I know they are no different to me or anyone else, but to be able to sit down with a black person and find out what they consider racist, find the boundries of what is and is not acceptable talk would be great (you see in films 2 Blacks calling each other nigger but kicking off when a white man says nigger). 
What I am saying is due to my lack of contact with other races has made me more paranoid about being racist because I have never had regular contact with other races. All my friends are white not because I'm racist but because there were very few blacks, asians etc in my town for me to meet when I was younger and not that many of my age group now.  I think it kind of comes down to the fear of the unknown syndrome, I do not know how to act or what to say due to the fear of appearing/being racist.
On the other side I watched a Chris Rock stand up dvd and half of it went straight over my head, but whites were refered to as crackers, if Billy connoly refered to blacks as niggers there would be an uproar, I do sometimes think the whole racist issue has gone too far, we should all just live together and get on regardless of colour.
anyway i'm waffling now so that's my little ditty
education and open mindedness is the way to go

jonsimon wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I think we should give up on lowing.  The dark side has twisted his mind into becoming the very thing he swore to defend, by being a citizen of this great nation.

He will never be convinced, nor will he ever realize that his judgement is based on racial profiling.  So therefore, most arguments he makes are instantly biased.  He is under a delusion that whites are victims of blacks, that whites are victims of racism, and that whites don't have a chance to stand up and defend themselves.

YAh tell that to every white man that has lost his job because of affirmitave action. Tell that to the white guy who has no chance of getting Most jobs because Minorities have first crack at them, and they WILL be chosen over a Better qualified White man or woman. Because the employee will use the race card and win.

Don't know what jobs you're talking about. Perhaps security services at a local high school? There aren't any jobs where white men are being pushed out of the market because of their color.

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<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

In the UK, ANY Slur against a NON white will land you in Jail, no ands , Ifs Or Buts about it. How is this fair? I mean, officers are afraid to Bust Muslims there for fear of losing there Jobs for being called Racist, for Just doing there Jobs. There being called Just that for Busting the people plotting the Plane bombings by some in that country and In The US Now.

Tell me I'm wrong please, and Ill STFU

You're wrong.  It takes more than verbal abuse to land someone in jail here.  And I have yet to see any evidence of the police being called racist for arresting the alleged wannabe plane bombers.  Certainly the two asian guys I know at work think they've done alright.  Well, I say asian but one's Leeds born & bred, but from London last year, that means nothing.

Anyway, the British racism laws work both ways.  It's just as much possible for a racist attack to be black on white as vice versa.  And the last racist attack I heard of was against Eastern European migrant workers, so that's likely to be white on white.

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I think we should give up on lowing.  The dark side has twisted his mind into becoming the very thing he swore to defend, by being a citizen of this great nation.

He will never be convinced, nor will he ever realize that his judgement is based on racial profiling.  So therefore, most arguments he makes are instantly biased.  He is under a delusion that whites are victims of blacks, that whites are victims of racism, and that whites don't have a chance to stand up and defend themselves.

YAh tell that to every white man that has lost his job because of affirmitave action. Tell that to the white guy who has no chance of getting Most jobs because Minorities have first crack at them, and they WILL be chosen over a Better qualified White man or woman. Because the employee will use the race card and win.

lol, I'm sorry they're suffering so much.  Racism against whites these days is just out of control.  That was a funny one, you almost had me there for a second. 

Peoples SKILLS and peoples INTELLIGENCE will always win.  Lowing said it himself, he deosn't care what race they are, if they have more skills/education, then that's the one he will hire.  I can't remember exactly which thread he said that in, it might even be this one, but I'd be happy to look for it if you want me to.

Spearhead wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I think we should give up on lowing.  The dark side has twisted his mind into becoming the very thing he swore to defend, by being a citizen of this great nation.

He will never be convinced, nor will he ever realize that his judgement is based on racial profiling.  So therefore, most arguments he makes are instantly biased.  He is under a delusion that whites are victims of blacks, that whites are victims of racism, and that whites don't have a chance to stand up and defend themselves.

YAh tell that to every white man that has lost his job because of affirmitave action. Tell that to the white guy who has no chance of getting Most jobs because Minorities have first crack at them, and they WILL be chosen over a Better qualified White man or woman. Because the employee will use the race card and win.

lol, I'm sorry they're suffering so much.  Racism against whites these days is just out of control.  That was a funny one, you almost had me there for a second. 

Peoples SKILLS and peoples INTELLIGENCE will always win.  Lowing said it himself, he deosn't care what race they are, if they have more skills/education, then that's the one he will hire.  I can't remember exactly which thread he said that in, it might even be this one, but I'd be happy to look for it if you want me to.

Spearhead, we seem to be agreeing more and more on different things lately.............I am getting scared

jonsimon wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

Spearhead wrote:

I think we should give up on lowing.  The dark side has twisted his mind into becoming the very thing he swore to defend, by being a citizen of this great nation.

He will never be convinced, nor will he ever realize that his judgement is based on racial profiling.  So therefore, most arguments he makes are instantly biased.  He is under a delusion that whites are victims of blacks, that whites are victims of racism, and that whites don't have a chance to stand up and defend themselves.

YAh tell that to every white man that has lost his job because of affirmitave action. Tell that to the white guy who has no chance of getting Most jobs because Minorities have first crack at them, and they WILL be chosen over a Better qualified White man or woman. Because the employee will use the race card and win.

Don't know what jobs you're talking about. Perhaps security services at a local high school? There aren't any jobs where white men are being pushed out of the market because of their color.

the police department and fire department are both examples of this.

the fire department here in Vancouver just got accused of being incredibly racist because they "didnt have a high enough ratio of coloured ppl to white firefighters" so they raised hell and now some firefighters are getting layed off to make way for the new wave of "coloured firefighters"...how the fuck does that work?? the "coloured ppl" didnt apply as much, yet they still expect to have a certain amount of coloured ppl working in the department.

same as the police, as i stated earlier. native americans can score as low as 4.0-4.2 while whites need to score 4.6-4.8...then east indians or blacks can score in the middle of that.

so how is it fair that someone scores 10-20% LOWER than someone else and get accepted BEFORE them...just because of the colour of their skin. that is racism TOTALLY flipped around.

Dogfood Enforcer wrote:

jonsimon wrote:

<[onex]>Headstone wrote:

YAh tell that to every white man that has lost his job because of affirmitave action. Tell that to the white guy who has no chance of getting Most jobs because Minorities have first crack at them, and they WILL be chosen over a Better qualified White man or woman. Because the employee will use the race card and win.

Don't know what jobs you're talking about. Perhaps security services at a local high school? There aren't any jobs where white men are being pushed out of the market because of their color.

the police department and fire department are both examples of this.

the fire department here in Vancouver just got accused of being incredibly racist because they "didnt have a high enough ratio of coloured ppl to white firefighters" so they raised hell and now some firefighters are getting layed off to make way for the new wave of "coloured firefighters"...how the fuck does that work?? the "coloured ppl" didnt apply as much, yet they still expect to have a certain amount of coloured ppl working in the department.

same as the police, as i stated earlier. native americans can score as low as 4.0-4.2 while whites need to score 4.6-4.8...then east indians or blacks can score in the middle of that.

so how is it fair that someone scores 10-20% LOWER than someone else and get accepted BEFORE them...just because of the colour of their skin. that is racism TOTALLY flipped around.

You DO know that only a small minority are asking for reparations.. you seemed to just label all African Americans in that one paragraph.  Good job.  You're racist, and you don't even know it.

How many African Americans are actually from Africa??.........00001%??

American citizens are AMERICANS. There is no  other nationality identity when you are American.

I'm not White American, I am American.

Last edited by lowing (2006-08-30 02:47:57)

lowing wrote:

How many African Americans are actually from Africa??.........00001%??

American citizens are AMERICANS. There is no  other nationality identity when you are American.

Iam not WIte American, I am American.

Yeah I'm pretty sick of hearing the word African-American because the word "black" might offend somebody. I have freaking actually heard people talking about the African-American population in Europe because they can't say another word. At least say African-European or something! One of my black aquaintances was called African American once and he replied, "What the hell? I'm ain't from Africa. I"m American."

How about assigning a state to each of the individual ethnic groups? Georgia for blacks, Oklohoma for Native Americans, Massachussetts for Irish, Florida for Jews, Wisconsin for Germans, etc? California can be left as a place where the different groups can hook up for drinks.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2006-08-30 02:57:35)

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

How about assigning a state to each of the individual ethnic groups? Georgia for blacks, Oklohoma for Native Americans, Massachussetts for Irish, Florida for Jews, Wisconsin for Germans, etc? California can be left as a place where the different groups can hook up for drinks.

It is already like that in NYC. Little Italy, Chinatown, Harlem, on and on and on. Except when white people want to live in a white neighborhood, it is because they are racist

Actually, people live wherever they want.  If you think that having cultural neigborhoods is racism, ROFL at you.  Ever been to San Francisco?  There are more American whites than Asian Americans, and that's in downtown Chinatown.  But I guess it's all racism. 

I'll do the roll eye thing so I can look like I know what I'm talking about /

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

Except when white people want to live in a white neighborhood, it is because they are racist

I live in a white neighbourhood, i've never had that problem. My friends are a very mixed group and i have to say, the most racist groups i've ever met were..gasp..white. We just hide it better.

Personally i've never met a non-white person who was genuinely racist. Sure i've met some african americans who had a hint of it but it's not the same superiority related racism that we possess. Their hate is more of retaliatory type formed after years of being looked at different. The subtle stuff adds up.

I've never had a real problem with it but i have noticed the way some of my neighbours look at my friends when they come around, it's subtle but it's always there.

There is a scientific explination for the roots of racism which is a very interesting topic ... for another time

What the hell is an African American?? Where in Africa did these African Americans you mention immagrate from??

If you have never seen racism except from white people, you need to get out more.

If you are NOT a "racist", why did you make sure you moved into an all white neighborhood?

lowing wrote:

PRiMACORD wrote:

lowing wrote:

Except when white people want to live in a white neighborhood, it is because they are racist

I live in a white neighbourhood, i've never had that problem. My friends are a very mixed group and i have to say, the most racist groups i've ever met were..gasp..white. We just hide it better.

Personally i've never met a non-white person who was genuinely racist. Sure i've met some african americans who had a hint of it but it's not the same superiority related racism that we possess. Their hate is more of retaliatory type formed after years of being looked at different. The subtle stuff adds up.

I've never had a real problem with it but i have noticed the way some of my neighbours look at my friends when they come around, it's subtle but it's always there.

There is a scientific explination for the roots of racism which is a very interesting topic ... for another time

What the hell is an African American?? Where in Africa did these African Americans you mention immagrate from??

If you have never seen racism except from white people, you need to get out more.

If you are NOT a "racist", why did you make sure you moved into an all white neighborhood?

1) They are originally from Africa you dumb shit. Would you rather me call them blacks? I always thought calling someone by there skin color was pretty fucking stupid. IE. Brown people, yellow people, white people, none of that is accurate, it's all generalized bullshit.

2) I've travelled around a lot, probably a lot more then you. PM me if you want to know where.

3) What kind of dumb fuck comment is that. I picked the house not the neighbourhood. What do you do, knock on everyones door and make sure it's white enough?