BF2S Forums the REAL reason people are complaining about SF...

Jodah3 wrote:

US_JackHammer wrote:

geez cant beleive im replying to you fucktard, its an improvement for sf players but not bf2 players

Because they spent the $30, duh.

If it really bothers you THAT much, just go buy the expansion.  I've wasted more money on a single trip to the movie, which is intended to be 2 hours of entertainment and I end up walking out halfway through anyways.

Read my original post before replying I said I already had the expansion and stated my argument dont jump in half way without reading it all fully

RedFiercare wrote:

Yeah, I only pay like 30 cents an hour right now.  Phone sex is like... 99 cents a minute.  BF2 is so great for the money!

Wow...just wow...

What's left to say if you equate BF2 with phone sex...perhaps you should finally enter manhood and find a girl... :p

I have to agree with this...

they aren't really any better at all. people act as if SF players have access to some super weapons and it is totally unbalancing the regular game, which it really isn't at all. They really, really aren't any better. the ONLY thing I could see being a problem would be the flash bangs, those could really be abused. I hate them anyway because as I've stated in many many other post topics 99.99% of the time my own stupid teammates end up blinding me with them, as well as themselves, and then everybody just spays shots wildly and its Tk superbowl.

Here is an idea:

Let the server side decide whether or not they will allow SF weapons.  For those of us that dont want to play with SF people, it makes us happy.

For those people that want to play SF they can do so.

Pure and simple its a marketing ploy to FORCE people to purchase the expansion pack(s) to stay competitive.  If they allowed servers to chose if they implemented SF or not, they wouldnt sell nearly as many SF packs.

It upsets me that the last 2 patches really have not fixed any major gameplay issues, but rather CYA crap that should have been fixed or not implemented at all.

Dshak, the moment I get FB, Im completly useless.

Another thing I took into consideration post patching.  I was looking at my stats.  Prior to the 1.13 patch I was doing fairly well with a good percentage of wins over loses as well as a respectable k:d ratio.  Immediately post patch where people were using more SF weapons (and I was notincing I was being killed by them in the message screen) my w/l ratio went down to 1:1 as well as my k:d to 3:2.

Are the SF unlocks superior to standard unlocks?  Maybe not by a margin of 100% better, but its definitly higher than standard unlocks IMHO.

I guess I really dont want to pump any more money into this game until they provide that they are willing to fix the glaring bug issues (and do something that is more player oriented vs selling more product)

Re: Cap vs Uncap I agree.  I think they try and balance it by making the team without an uncap to have all the bases and more tickets at the start of the round.  However every one knows that the key to beating the team is to cap their main base first (with a majority of their assets).

Jodah,

I agree on the bugs. I don't think Ive seen the "red name" glitch one time, and a lot of the other things people are raging about have completely escaped my attention. I'm wondering, ONLY wondering, that perhaps if your system is not up to par to properly run the game these things occur??? just a thought, so everyone please don't fire back at me at how uber super your computer is.

I KNOW there are bugs in the game, but given its complexity and overall quality I think some patience and forgiveness might be in order. I have my own issues with the game, but that doesn't cause me to make some universal negative declaration about it.

Last edited by dshak (2005-11-29 13:56:15)

mr_bad_idea wrote:

Or maybe you're just too damn cheap to buy the expansion pack.  Go ask mommy for some money, get the damn expansion pack to keep with the times, and stop bitching because you're too cheap to keep from being obsolete.

Annnnd you're being a tool. Unnecessary.

I'm not sure how the core game is "obsolete", anyways.

just wondering why everyone is telling everyone else they are wrong. ITS ALL A MATER OF OPINION, U CANT SAY SOMEONE IS WRONG BECASE U DONT LIKE HOW THEY THINK. also if u unlock a SF weapon in BF2 can people use the graple hook.

Jodah3 wrote:

Given time, peeps will learn to run when they're blinded rather than hunker down in a corner, which is what the Assault wants

That doesnt sound too smart.  Why would I run when I can't see where or who is in front of me?  I'd rather have it be a grenade, because at least then I have a chance of avoiding it and still be combat effective.  The point being that FB drastically changes the way the game is played.

Jodah3 wrote:

Sounds like a) you've had some bad luck with your teammates, as W/L ratio is decided by the team effort and I'll guarantee that just as many of your teammates have SF weapons as your enemies do.   And b) You probably cringe and curse each time you die to an SF weapon rather than rethinking your tactics and what led you to die to begin with.

a)  Karkand is primarly a USMC favored map.  Why?  Because its heavily weighted becuase of USMC uncap and MEC cappable.  Does USMC lose?  Yes, but usually only when USMC is very disorganized or MEC is extremely effective.

b)  Please dont assume that you know my playstyle.  Particularly where my strengths are in adapting to changing conditions.  If something that worked before no longer works, you change and adapt.

Jodah3 wrote:

To each his own, BUT I still fail to see how it can be argued that the expansion is not player-oriented.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't nighttime maps, vehicle dominance, and more maps/weapons the hot topics of the last few months?  Seems to me that EA listened and gave people a game that answers these calls.

I didnt say that it wasnt player-oriented.  And I can't comment on the additional features, because I dont usually follow those type of threads.  What EA/DICE did do was listen and provide additional features at a cost.  Should they charge?  Yes.  Should they incorporate additional features that you must pay for to a vanilla build?  No.

Jodah3 wrote:

Also, I've been playing for 2 months now and still have not been witness to the 'glaring bugs' that I keep hearing about.   Maybe I'm just lucky, or maybe I know how NOT to screw up my own computer, but my experience has been close to flawless thus far

a)  Just because you cant see the ocean floor doesnt mean that its not there.  Dont discount other people that have had this experience.  If it wasn't an issue, do you think people would be complaining about it?

b)  Im MCP and finishing up my CCNA.  I've had 10 years professional IT experience with the largest west coast health care provider.  Im third tier support for 100+ applications and work on any hardware from dot matrix printer to blade servers.  I really dont think that I "screwed" up my own computer by installing and patching.

For the record:

WinXP SP2
Asus P5WD2
Intel Pentium D 830
1GB PC 6300 Mushkin DDR2
BFG 7800GTX - Forceware 81.95
76GB Maxtor raptor 10k RPM SATA HDD - Primary OS
250GB Seagate 7200.8 NCQ SATA HDD - Applications
Antec NeoPower 480 ATX12V2
Thermalright XP-90C
Panasonic Panaflow fans

I do keep an image of my primary OS so I can re-image if things go flakey.

Jodah3 wrote:

certainly no worse than any other multiplayer game.

By quantifying that statement doesnt make me feel any better.  90% of the time developers are pushing to get the product out of the door, ready or not.  I would rather them take their time and delay than to put out a flawed bugged product.

The only release that I was impressed with was FF-XI.  But this was probably due to the fact that it had already been available in Japan a year before the US release.

On a last note:  The whole idea behind BF2 was rock<paper<scissors.  Now you are incorporating additional gameplay elements to those people that pay for it.  However you are limiting your inital base(those that chose not to buy the Expansion Pack) by not allowing them to have access to these features.  Its a smart way to make money but a poor customer relations move.

Edit:  I've played BF2 on the SF release day and one day after that.  Since then I've been playing NFS:MW and really dont miss BF2.  If you like "burnout" style racing you'll get a kick out of NFS:MW.

Last edited by CBRad929 (2005-11-30 12:59:07)

What really gets to me is EA is a very successful company and all the slack behind fixing the game is of course irrelevant.  The most annoying part about this expansion is its not an expansion.  You have to start Special Forces with a seperate shortcut, if you start BF2 and try to join an SF server it will kill the game and restart with BF2SF.  That has to be the stupidest thing I've ever seen in an expansion.  Of course its DICE's fault they programmed everything and I guess its the only way to have a mod/expansion work with vanilla BF2.  I'm not crazy about SF and I won't play it until they fix most of the bugs, vanilla is 10x more fun to me, of course all of you that enjoy SF more than BF2 great have fun with it ;-)

Can't denny the Fact that EA likes to Push Games out Really Really Fast, Neglecting to Fix them to make them Better.

They did ok with the Expansion comming out with a Patch, thats...not how I would have done it but it got the job done.

The best Gamer Company is Ubisoft, They Make Great Games, and When they Come out, theres not Much Tweeking Thats needed to be done, because they are not Rushed and are Tested so they Please the Gamers and not Disapoint them like EA games often do...

It's growing pains. BF2 is expanding as it should. Who wants to play on the same damn maps over and over with the same weapons.

I think what is happening is that people bought SF and some of those people were dominant players to begin with. Now when those dominant players get into a game and get to the top of the leader board just like they did before, with their brand new SCAR-L and G36E, everybody without the new weapons screams about how dominant they are.

Everybody looks at what weapon they were killed by especially now. And when someone without SF gets killed by the new weapons by the same dominant player 2 or 3 times, just as it would have happened before, they get pissed.

I have SF and my kills/round hasn't gone up, my deaths/round hasn't gone down. My standings on leader boards has not changed.