=DS=Unit92
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are kidding themselves.

I had a chance to play on my buddies computer yesterday and it's very clear that SF weapons are quite superior to their vanilla counterparts.

The medic gun is argueably the best weapon in the game, very little recoil, excellent against unarmoured infantry (almost always a 1 burst kill), ok against armoured infantry (this is it's one disadvantage), Great at long, medium and short ranges.  Medics are now the best lone wolfs in the game, I can drop some medpacks and stand and snipe all day long, or I can pull some ninja shit and wipe out three guys tryign to take a flag before they even knew I was there.  I love the G36E and the only disadvantage I could find in the weapon was the armor penetration... but if you're aiming for the face that's non-issue, it takes 2-3 bursts to the chest, 1 to the face. I easily tripled my ratio as medic.

The SpecOps gun is another favorite of mine, it's almost completely silent and when prone if you give about 500ms it NEVER misses, it's always on target. It doesn't have good armour penetration but you don't need it in single fire since they can't hear where the bullet is coming from you can squeeze off the extra necessary round. Full auto it's not bad either, low recoil (not anywhere near the G36's but good enough.)

The Assault unlock is an upgrade in almost everyway too. Noob Toob + Scope + Almost completely Silent rounds (sounds like you have taco shits,) and again it's one failing is armour penetration (are you seeing a trend here.) While the armour penetration is mild, it's still a 1 hit kill with the GL, which appear to load slightly slower than it's GP-30/M203 counterparts but not much. Any disadvantages though is offset by the scope and very quiet firing, it's good at sniping and then if things get hairy you can just switch to GL and noob tube it up.

I didn't get to test the support gun and only breifly used the Engineer MP7, this gun seemed like the only sensable upgrade out of the ones I used, and that's only because the shotguns suck so much except in the occasional CQC and if it had not been for this fact I would say, given to any other class would have been a downgrade, typical of the Engineers getting humped by EA.

I know some of you are going to say "Well I paid to have more skill than you" or something very similar. FPSes are supposed to be a test of quick wits and responses not who managed to pay the most. If I wanted a game that you could get skill for paying I would be playing an MMORPG. Weapon unlocks should provide variety not superiority.
ATC
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dshak
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yeah, I don't agree at all. so there. also, what are you talking about with regards to the spec ops gun? its not silent at all, doesn't sound any different really than any of the G36 weapons. The only one I'll really grant you is the medic gun.

te assualt weapon is crap. everyone is having a big orgy over it because its a noob toob with a scope, but its accuracy is aweful and the grenade seems to have a lot less splash damage.

I rarely ever use the SF unlocks when playing the old BF2, and I haven't been getting killed more often at all and certainly haven't had any trouble killing anyone who was using them. This is still, very much, A MATTER OF OPINION.

I'm not too sure why you think all the guns are so quiet??? The other day on Warlord I had a guy trying to snipe be from the crane in the SAS base from about 100 M away and I had no problem hearing is weapon, and even being able to tell which direction the shots were coming from, and yes I know he was using the new spec ops gun because he killed me once with it before I got him.

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Sud
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Well dshak, when you can get that 0.57 ratio with assault rifles up to at least 1.00, maybe then you can offer an opinion that's worth reading, eh? You don't understand the intricacies of the weapons until you are at least productive in a game with them.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-02 15:15:41)

dshak
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ooooo, you're the man... wow, burned me... perhaps maybe your assualt ratio should be above 0.00 before YOU talk smack. If you want to play the stat game, I wouldn't take your advice, on anything.

Last edited by dshak (2005-12-02 15:18:19)

Sud
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I merely pointed out the truth. Your proficiency with the weapon class lends to your ignorance about it. I wouldn't take a McDonald's worker's advice on the stock exchange, and I wouldn't take your advice on assault rifles.

I suggest taking a look at the account right below. My medic's humble 1.42 assault rifle ratio may look godly to you, but I assure you, it's quite doable, and a lot of people even do it better than I!

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-02 15:25:41)

dshak
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My opinion is that the assault weapons, all of them, are pretty average at best, unless you are a super toober, in which case have a party. Until the flash bangs it was a relatively useless team class, which is why I RARELY if ever use the class. But I have news for you bud, the guns in the assault class, yeah, they aim just like all the other ones in this game. you point and click just the same way. Besides, I never asked you to take my advice. as a matter of fact I never gave any advice, but after your super smart response and a few seconds looking at your stats... I'll as k your input if I ever want advice on being a 24/7 Karkand Tank Whore. I know you'll be there for me.

I didn't call you a stat padder, I called you a tank whore, which clearly you are... and your K/D ratios don't really mean anything to me at all, in any class, because I know the whole time you're just sitting in a tank in Karkand, a tank I'm quite sure you probably team kill for and cry like a baby if you don't get. in any case, I made my counter point to the original poster, who I was communicating in the first place. I've read your stuff in other threads and I'm done talking to you, as you are, the undisputed, king shit hypocrite of all time when it comes to these threads. respond with whatever you want, I'm not reading it.

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M1-Lightning
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I prefer the old grenade launcher over the new one yet I like the new assault rifle better than the old ones. It fires a lot like the G3. I'm still a big fan of the AK kit though.
jax
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is it just me or am is sud always dissing someone on every post. i still reckon that the G3 is better than it's SF counterpart. I have used them both. if u want to check my stats sud my name is jax_t.

(Stop ruining threads sud, u always change the subject)
Cough, tank whore

Last edited by jax (2005-12-02 15:31:48)

Sud
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1. Tanks and APCs are balanced. Newbs complain about "tank whoring". Pros switch to anti tank and beat the tank back so far he's hiding behind the UAV. Not to mention, the only thing you're able to do with a positive ratio is sniping. At least tanks actually expose themselves to enemy fire instead of cowering away on some mountain or rooftop somewhere with all flanks mined up.

2. Unfortunately you cannot cling to the sentiment that all I do is tank because the much more played account below it in my sig is all foot (with the odd exception of hopping in the gun on top of a tank, or some other diversion). And yes, my assault rifle as an unarmored class embarasses yours with an armored class.

You're offering your opinion (advisement) on something you don't have a semblance of a clue about, as noted by your piss poor performance and complete ineptitude. You're only trying to piss on the thread.
jax
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Sud, do us all a favour, stop insulting people for offering their opinion and fuck of

oh yea and your new 5ud account is crap o for 2 with assult rifles, u are fucking brilliant

Last edited by jax (2005-12-02 15:36:58)

dshak
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wow, look at all those words... none of which I read. for the benefit of the admins, who hate this kind of off topic crap... I will stop posting in this thread now. super sud, the allknowing mega hypocrite, has put me in my place.
Sud
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Not really Jax, I only get after people when they offer up ignorant opinions and can't even show they have the basic competancy to know what they're talking about.

Yeah your stats aren't too hot either, but I do agree with the one sentiment about the G3 in that it is a really nice rifle, enough to actually warrant a choice between it or the G3 (to tube or not to tube). Not so much between AR101 or M16. On the medic side of things, there's absolutely no doubt that the gun of choice is the SAS gun all the way. It is so damned powerful that the all the assaults I know want it.

As far as support goes, PKM is the only viable choice in base BF, and SF actually provides a gun that appears functionally better in almost every circumstance.

The idea between balanced gun variants here is that there is supposed to be a CHOICE between the guns. As a medic, in theroy, I'm supposed to actually want different rifles in different terrains or situations. SAS is what I will pick for all of my combat time. I will never pick the L1 even with its "scope" because it is such a weak and inaccurate gun. I will never pick the M16 or AR101 because they are both weaker than the SAS. F2000 is still better than M16 and AR101, the only choice being G3, and most people are too attached to their tubes to give them up, thus functionally F2000 is the new gun of choice.
rc-combat
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I love the RPGs. Frankly I wish you could have RPGs in Vanilla BF2. Seems to have a bit more power and splash damage. I hate to play AT on BF2, but I love to when I have RPGs on BF2SF. Just my own personal opinion.
Sud
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oh no, the negative ratio newbies are angry at me. Whatever will I do.

Please save me Unit92, they... they... they have horribly biased and ignorant opinions to throw at me!

By the way you two stooges, this is my assault rifle record:

761 kills, 537 deaths, 1.42 as medic.

There is no hypocrisy. I know how to use an assault rifle. You do not. Notice why there are two accounts in my signature. I keep my armor alias and my foot alias separate.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-02 15:42:10)

jax
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oh yea and dont give me all that bullshit about ur previous accuont being great with assult. u have 61 kills, ur assult rifle ratio comes almost completely from medic. u probably tank whored with the assult when u where using it as well form looking at both ur accounts stats
Sud
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Hey tardo the amazing, up until SF, the US and MEC assault/medic rifles were PRACTICALLY IDENTICAL.

This is why I say to keep your opinion to yourself. You don't have a CLUE.

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jax
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is the amazing corpral 5ud talking to me, your best character has 2000 points less than mine so i wouldnt go calling me a noob
Sud
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That's staff sargeant to you, scrub.
jax
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do u realise we are talking about the assult kit sud or dont  u get it. u cant know everything about the assult kit and be amazing with it, but then again after using it for an entire hour u must be an expert, infact why dont EA give u expert assult on the account of u having huge amounts of expierence using it

Corpral or staff sargent, both your accounts are worse than mine.

Last edited by jax (2005-12-02 15:50:51)

Sud
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1. I have been using assault rifles at a more adept level than you

2. I have used the F2000 and unlike you, I can get the feel for a weapon very quickly.

3. You could have been using it for 5000 hours and it wouldn't make a lick of difference because you are a ticket liability and you do not understand how to use the weapon in such a way that is PROFICIENT and that invalidates ANYTHING you have to say on the subject.

Jax, you should take some medication for those delusions. There is barely anything on your account that you achieve a positive ratio with.

Ok, I'm going to stop putting you two nincompoops in your place now and defer this thread back to the original poster, such that it doesn't get completely derailed with your nonsensical babblings.

Last edited by Sud (2005-12-02 15:59:40)

jax
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actually i have used all the assult rifles and whenever i play with assult e.g. last 10 rounds i have killed atleast 2 for every one with the G3 and have been in the top 5 scores in those last 10 rounds
Kkookie
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woah! guys chill out, it's just a game. :\
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Oh yeah! and I'll give my two cents on the SF unlocks. They are way too off the chain! Unfortunately I haven't been able to really get the feel of them for some reason (?), at least not in normal BF. I have seen a lot of other players pwn with them though, and have had a few good moments myself.
   As for the medic unlock, I've tried it a few times and luved it, but you can only unlock an SF gun if you already have the original unlock and naturally I found this out when I had one unlock left and no L85 .
=DS=Unit92
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The "I have spent more time in game than you" only works if your stats are compareable. The only weapon you have a pos ratio on jax is the noob tube and the only kit you have a pos ratio on is Assault... coincidence? ITNSTFU
Mubbly
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Sud wrote:

1. I have been using assault rifles at a more adept level than you

2. I have used the F2000 and unlike you, I can get the feel for a weapon very quickly.

3. You could have been using it for 5000 hours and it wouldn't make a lick of difference because you are a ticket liability and you do not understand how to use the weapon in such a way that is PROFICIENT and that invalidates ANYTHING you have to say on the subject.

Jax, you should take some medication for those delusions. There is barely anything on your account that you achieve a positive ratio with.

Ok, I'm going to stop putting you two nincompoops in your place now and defer this thread back to the original poster, such that it doesn't get completely derailed with your nonsensical babblings.
Stop putting yourself on a f^*$ing pedestel. thanks! ^.^ all hail Sud, King of The Conceited Assholes!

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